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Message # 38549.4.2.1.1.1.1.1

Subject: Re: Permission?

Date: Mon 05/01/09 23:08:33 GMT

Name: aquaboots

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For me, it's not about money, but control of my work. As I said, it's my money, time and effort going into the photos and site, no one else's, so I think I'm entitled to decide whether or not my images can be copied. If someone finds my site and likes my work enough to tell others about it, then they can always give out the address. As for bandwidth, my hosting service gives me plenty, and I don't think I'll ever come close to the limit.

My main fear is someone copying my images, then passing them off as their own. Anyone who's been visiting this forum for a while has seen that happen—just ask Erik Elsas or Leonmoomin.

I believe that the creator of a piece of work—photography, painting, music, video...whatever—should have complete control of that work, even including the decision to give up that control (i.e. selling the rights to someone else, putting it in the public domain, etc.). Unless they do give up control, they should be able to say, "This is what can be done with my work, nothing else—period," and there should be no argument about it—the creator has spoken. That's not unreasonable, is it?

I also don't believe that just because something is on the Internet, it's automatically okay to copy it. I don't know where that attitude comes from. I'm a graphic designer, and I've had arguments with sales reps over it, when they demanded that I copy images off sites to use in clients' ads, and the sites had nothing to do with the product or service in the ad. (Never mind that Web images are unsuitable for print.)

I agree that copy protection things harder for honest people. If you've paid for a copy of a CD, DVD, or downloaded file, you shouldn't have to jump through further hoops in order to enjoy it. Unfortunately, some people just don't want to behave, so they muck things up for the rest of us. It's like in school, if a few kids caused trouble, but couldn't be singled out for whatever reason, the whole class would be punished. I wanted to thump the a**holes; why should I suffer for their behavior?

Thanks for the insights, Malvineous. Actually, I'm glad you weren't serious about overlays, because they sounded too technical for my abilities. Still, I'm going to think about switching to Flash galleries. I don't expect to stop thieves completely, but maybe just make it more effort than it's worth for them.

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Re: Permission?

By Malvineous - Mon 05/01/09 21:22:05 GMT

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Barry, it's a knicker-twist issue -- people get ridiculously bent out of shape about it. Snopes use JavaScript to ban anyone from copying and pasting anything from pages of their site, which is extremely frustrating if you want to quote a passage to anyone. I also have a complete book on EPOC programming -- a free download of an out-of-print volume -- in a locked PDF. I'm banned from copying and pasting passages to people, and unlike a short Web site, I'd have to request that any friends download the ENTIRE PDF (wasting bandwidth for the company hosting it) and then locate the passage in question. (Or I could just screenshot it.)

Copy protection can always be bypassed; it simply makes the lives of the innocent harder without due cause.

One reason to save pictures to hard drive is that it saves trawling through a site to dig up all the pictures again. With video, it saves enormous amounts of bandwidth. I can't imagine how much bandwidth YouTube burns through due to people being forced to replay movies online. YouTube appears to forbid caching, so if I hit Back in my browser, the movie is DOWNLOADED ALL OVER AGAIN! Not only is this extremely annoying at times, but it's costing a collossal sum of money to pay for people to download the same damn movie over and over and over and over and over because you're not allowed to cache it or save it. (Money that could be used for something better in this world, even if YouTube can afford it.) Hell, it would reduce YouTube's load enough to help their performance, as it can really grind to a halt at times.

I wasn't serious about overlays -- I don't think Flash uses them as you can screenshot Flash Player. (You'd have to reprogram Flash Player to use an overlay mixer. No idea whether the MS and NS plugin APIs would support this.)

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Re: Permission?

By Barry - barryseaweed@ymail.com Mon 05/01/09 20:45:35 GMT

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If someone is saving the photos for personal use, and not sharing them, as many people on this forum do, then how are you losing money? If you had a paysite and someone was copying your pics and sharing them with everybody else, then you would have a case about losing money.

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Re: Permission?

By aquaboots - Mon 05/01/09 20:34:43 GMT

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Thanks for the idea, Malvineous. I've been thinking of revamping my site anyway, and Flash galleries are one possibility. I'll look into overlays.

As for Barry: it's MY money that bought the gear and is paying the hosting fees, MY time and MY effort spent taking the photos, processing them and building the site (and spent earning the money, as well), NOT yours. And I'm not making one damn penny for my efforts. Think about that. And think how you'd feel if it were your work being ripped off. Wouldn't feel so great, would you?

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Re: Permission?

By Malvineous - Mon 05/01/09 19:17:22 GMT

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Well, there is *one* way, and that's to use an overlay. Even on a Mac, you can't screenshot a DVD, because the DVD video is being sent to an overlay channel -- the video frames are not part of the normal screen and a screenshot can't see them (it's a performance enhancement; with some codecs you can disable the overlay mixer, but not all, DivX for example). A combination of cunning use of Flash along with an overlay would stop most people :)

However, that would be pretty extreme.

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Re: Permission?

By Barry - barryseaweed@live.com Mon 05/01/09 18:33:43 GMT

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My new computer is a Mac (I gave up on PCs). With a Mac, "control" + "command" + "4" lets me copy anything, spaceballs, right click disabled, etc., and there's nothing anybody's going to do about it.

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Permission?

By aquaboots - Mon 05/01/09 01:36:01 GMT

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Just to be nosy, but do you have permission from the person/people posting the image(s) to download them? I'm an amateur photographer, and I decided against posting my images on a site like Flikr for fear of them being copied illegally (i.e.: without my permission). Hence, I built my own site, and did it in a way that disables right-clicking. If someone wants to download an image, they would have to contact me and ask for it.

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spaceball.gif

By Gary - garykay@sisna.com Sun 04/01/09 03:05:48 GMT

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I have been seeing alot more use if a file format where the title of a photo and all of the accompanying photos are titled "spaceball.gif" When the use of the right mouse key opens a file save protocol nothing is saved. Id there away around this??

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