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Subject: Hello Naked skin and marriage...

Date: Wed 19/07/06 08:52:38 GMT

Name: Telcontar gb

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How comes y'all are always complaining that you never get positive wet experiences within marriage? Are you all old enough that women at the time were all narrow-minded? Are women really no fun? I know there have been accounts of people whose wife (or more likely, girlfriend) enjoys it too, but the limit seems to mostly be that she'll get wet sometimes just to please the bloke.

 

Maybe the blokes really are going about it the wrong way and turning all the women off to it? Maybe the women feel they don't want to take part in something only presented as a act that makes the man hot and is not for her benefit also? Granted, plenty of women will find that getting wet does nothing for them, and some find it physically unpleasant (having all the clothes stick to you).

 

But since it's such a major turn on for us, it's a real shame. And especially since seeing people dry leaves us wondering, "Oh, how nice would she look wet?" and dying to see her soaked. And that is a hard thing to leave out of a sexual relationship even though I figure that it's nearly inevitable in most cases. A girl I talk to who lives in California, I used to try to convince to experiment with wetlook (back when she lived in Colorado). She did finally swim in a pool in a dress at some outdoor party one night and loved it, it felt great to her, but she never tried it again since, and may not do for a long time. That's another common trend, women only seem to want to get wet once in a blue moon, men tend to want to do what they enjoy as often as possible! Well, more often than once every few years! I only feel an urge to get wet every so often, but definitely when it gets really hot!

 

 

I am not averse to naked skin, though. It's taking me a very long time to acclimatise to the female anatomy. Hair and faces I am mostly OK with. Breasts I am very slowly, slowly adjusting to and I'm still very unsure about them (even clothed). The crotch area, I can still find quite repulsive. Legs and butts do nothing for me whatsoever. I am straight, so have no idea why it's taking me so long to adjust but I don't have a natural instinct to find women physically attractive when naked. Seeing the bottom of rib cage -- perfectly normal it seems -- even outlined through clothes -- makes her look so thin she's dead, but legs tend to universally have too much fat (cellulite?) especially if the fat on the legs is an uneven surface. A clothed woman tends to be less revealing about the things that turn me off, so that's not so hard to stomach, but a woman who I do find attractive naked, I am perfectly OK with naked skin! I have fantasies about seeing people naked as well as wet. Wet skin has a more even surface, more gentle and smooth curves, than the wrinkly folds of wet clothes, so both have an advantage.

 

 

For me personally, there is one other coin to flip. I like the feel of water on my skin. So does the girl in California I was talking about. Wet clothes may feel nice on the skin (sometimes they do, sometimes -- more often -- they don't) but they act as a sensory barrier between the water and your skin, and it's nice to strip off and feel the water against your skin. I tend to prefer the idea that I look sexy when wet to being wet itself, since wet clothes don't necessarily feel that good, but they look terriffic. But it does create an interesting problem. Suppose I dated lili -- we'd both want to play in the water naked so that it feels good. Maybe we'd jump in clothed first for fun, and then take our clothes off? I don't know. I really, really don't know...

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By A Stranger in Warsaw - uu Wed 19/07/06 03:41:05 GMT

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This might be an interesting survey topic: How do we feel about naked skin vs. wet clothes?

For me, the only naked skin that turns me on is my wife's. When I was completely unattached and not dating, no naked skin interested me. But any woman in wet clothes may strongly attract my attention. So I would have to say that wetlook is _not_ necessarily just a tease.

I dislike teasing anyway. Even worse is unintentional or fake teasing. Like, when my wife got close to a fountain once, but didn't get wet. (Don't tell me I should have pushed her in-- if I had, I'd have found myself sleeping that night in the (EMPTY!) bathtub.) Or when my wife pushes me when I'm close to the water but I have my nice shoes on or my cell phone is in my pocket or it's a cold day or my parents are there, because she knows that's when I'll actually push back. Any other clear and obvious opportunity she WON'T push because she knows I wouldn't resist.

Okay, enough on teasing, back to responding to the above posts:

It would be nice to know how to look sexier when wet. When I'm in the water clothed, it's a major turnoff for my wife, to some extent _because_ she knows I'm a bit... excited. And it would be nice to know how to help her feel sexy in those rarer-than-uranium events when she does swim clothed. Will psychologists ever find an answer to that? Probably not in our lifetimes...

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By Telcontar - mrnemesis@ntlworld.com gb Tue 18/07/06 16:56:16 GMT

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Well, I'm still sure that for the majority of men (present company excepted) not female wetlook is the thing they are after, but simply naked skin.

There's nothing wrong with naked skin ;-) But wetlook is a tease and tease is good. Wetinred and I were discussing that wet t-shirt contests don't have enough tease. Even dry clothes are a tease. The less chance you have to get what you want (naked skin) the more you want it. Show naked skin immediately and, well, you win, game over. Now what? Dry clothes may or may not indicate the woman's figure (depending on whether they're loose or tight), wet clothes that cling start to make her figure clearer but yet still not show you any naked skin yet. If the wet clothes go translucent (i.e. semi-transparent) and you can see a bra or some skin, it's even sexier.

Which for me is ironic. If I can see a bra faintly through a t-shirt, it's sexy, but I feel like the woman would be embarrassed at revealing so much (even though it often doesn't seem to bother them). Yet bikinis are far more revealing and very commonplace. I wonder if I am projecting our reactions onto the women, and that they'd not feel embarrassed because they don't think they're sexy when wet? I've talked to both men and women who see nothing in wetlook beyond simply wet people.

That said, wet clothes and especially wet hair are sexy in their own right, and they feel nice too, so they make you want to feel the woman more, touch her, hold her. Wet or sweaty/clammy skin has more friction, whereas clothes can be smoother when wet.

Perhaps we can figure out what men want that visit this forum here. We still can't tell whether there are more or less men after wetlook than, say, ten years ago. The increasing number of forum visitors may also says that it's easier or cheaper to get "into" the web, or that search enginges got better to find what these men were looking for. If you do your poll, please include a question like "Since when are you a wetlook lover". I guess most answers will be "since my teenager years".

The general answer is that we've all liked wetlook since we were young. I remember playing in the paddling pool at about age 6 or so and being made to wear a vest to protect my skin, and I wasn't turned on or anything. I found that I liked wet hair on girls however, but I wasn't sexually aware yet so I am not sure why I liked it! I remember soaking my sister's dolls in the paddling pool and getting into trouble for it :) It would be a few years until I started experimenting with wet clothes in the bath and shower (I tended to take my sister's clothes from the washing basket at the time and soak them, but I also got wet in my own clothes.) And I was 18 when I finally got access to the Web at university and did a search for "wet hair".

There is good evidence to suggest that wetlook has been around some decades or more, and quite possibly since the beginning of time. I really have no idea how far back it goes. How about BSDM?!

Yes, I see a difference. And I doubt to be an aide in that concern. But then, is the difference so great? Would you ask a girl when you meet her the first time for her thoughts about the latest Linux kernel compilation? I guess no, since you know most of the girls would stay up and go away (and most boys, too). So you would leave that subject for later, maybe when she needs som help with her Windows.

Psh :) I'd never survive a relationship with someone who's not technical, since I'm a terrible nerd. And it depends how you meet the girl, I suppose. I've never been on a date so I don't know, nor do I know where I'd ever meet any women at all, let alone those I could actually get on with. If I liked more "obvious" things like PC gaming, Linux or Mac OS X, I might meet a nice women at a user group or a hacker conference, but then I'd be competing with all the other men there :)

Maybe you have the chance to accompany her for a swimming in the sea or pool. If you by that chance tell her that you prefer to swim wearing a shirt and that you like the feeling on the skin etc. (instead of silly excuses about UV radiation) and you do not ask her to do the same then I can't imagine she will cry out and run away. And if she does, then don't worry: she was the wrong one.

I see your logic. Anyone who's not too shy to take a date to the beach for the day, may find that this works. I don't drive, so we'd have to get the train -- there is a train to Brighton that goes through my town actually. But taking the train to the beach on every date with every girl would prove expensive and inconvenient, given the indications here of how few women like getting wet (all the men who remark that their wife doesn't have an interest in getting wet).

I think it's far more important to me that the woman be technically competent and nerdy as that's the safe, non-sexual site to me. If I have to settle for "only" (!) naked skin and no wet clothes, so be it, I guess. Wet hair is great and I'd not likely be denied seeing that.

I don't imagine we'd have a pool at home or that the swimming pools in the area would allow clothed swimming, so just playing in water in clothes for fun -- and not because it's sexy -- would probably not be possible even if she wanted it.

Hmmm, that's really how I feel when I'm wet, too. But I also believe that only thinking one looks sexy somehow makes ones behaviour and thus the appearance sexier. Automatically. Try it. Start smiling.

I know what you mean, but it's just not the same. I need to feel sexy because I'm wet, and becase wet clothes feel nice to touch.

May I suggest to start with a simply DB table, one column per question, on record per participant? Write a simple PHP form with input elements (checkboxes, radiobuttons, combo boxes, and edit fields) to output and to verify the form and to put the record into the table. If filled, export the table and do the whole interpretation stuff using Calc or Excel or whatever.

I could. I tend to prefer writing something more generic, and I was hoping that the resulting code could be used to run other polls. I am not sure on the bandwidth implications of leaving it up as a free site for people to play with, but that would be really sweet if I could. As such, that starts creating questions like, do I have one table per poll? Otherwise, I can't have one a column per question as each poll would be sharing that same table and I'd be adding extra columns each time a longer poll came along. I did talk about it with a friend but he didn't really have any good ideas. And the idea also was -- I think? -- that individual users could play with the results on the Web, not just the poll owner. So yeah, a little bit complicated :)

I'll keep the list of questions so far around on my hard drive just in case.

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By WetMartina - wetmartina@sonnenkinder.org de Tue 18/07/06 13:26:03 GMT

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Hi all,
it's me that was away from the forum for almost two weeks. How time flies! I was a bit busy all the days and a bit too lazy all the evenings. Thanks for the reminders

I'd like to thank all of you that emailed me their comments about my tiny story. And, even more, I loved very much to find some other small stories here. Thank you Regenman [You should stop smoking, BTW. Too many cigarettes in your story ], Jennifer and Todd, and Victor. Please, all, don't keep your everyday experiences secret. A few lines are enough, and it's great to know that someone with a known name has become wet and happy again.

And, last but not least, it was a great pleasure to see all the vintage jeans photos by Frankie posted by Scott. I wish I would have been there, but I guess I'm some years too young plus I lived in the wrong part of the world those days, plus my parents were a bit to strict.

However, today is today, and I still owe Telcontar some answers to his posting (quotes indented).

    Hm ... I'm just saying I suppose that if we look at how popular female wetlook is -- all the forum visitors, all the producers of wetlook material -- then there are plenty of men who like looking at wet women. It's not a generalisation of all men, but it's a trend in the sense that there are lot of men who like it, and we can get a handle on their likes.

Well, I'm still sure that for the majority of men (present company excepted) not female wetlook is the thing they are after, but simply naked skin. Wetlook might be one medium to stimulate their fantasy. Not that I know a lot of, but take any soft porn scene, any "sport clip" in the german "DSF" TV night program that starts with a girl getting soaked or muddy. All that wet/mudlook seems to be just a teaser to fuel male fantasy, and fast enough the girl somehow loses her wet clothes, ending up naked. And if one thing is sure then it is the fact that these producers exactly know what their target group likes to see.

    We know what this forum is for, we tend believe that most visitors are men, so we can figure out what men all want.

Perhaps we can figure out what men want that visit this forum here. We still can't tell whether there are more or less men after wetlook than, say, ten years ago. The increasing number of forum visitors may also says that it's easier or cheaper to get "into" the web, or that search enginges got better to find what these men were looking for. If you do your poll, please include a question like "Since when are you a wetlook lover". I guess most answers will be "since my teenager years".

    Unlike finding a tech girlfriend, where you can discuss the subject openly and find out her interests and abilities, wetlook from a man's perspective is still too much about wanting to see the woman get wet for him and thus risking that the woman will feel objectified and refuse.

Yes, I see a difference. And I doubt to be an aide in that concern. But then, is the difference so great? Would you ask a girl when you meet her the first time for her thoughts about the latest Linux kernel compilation? I guess no, since you know most of the girls would stay up and go away (and most boys, too). So you would leave that subject for later, maybe when she needs som help with her Windows. Maybe you have the chance to accompany her for a swimming in the sea or pool. If you by that chance tell her that you prefer to swim wearing a shirt and that you like the feeling on the skin etc. (instead of silly excuses about UV radiation) and you do not ask her to do the same then I can't imagine she will cry out and run away. And if she does, then don't worry: she was the wrong one.

    Men tend to be so lewd and disrespectful about it, and it reflects so badly on men that so many of us objectify women as people to letch at and remark about the size and shape of their bodies. I don't know why women don't act the same way about men, but it's nice that they don't, and men need to learn a lesson there I think.

I only can imagine some very historic reasons for this difference: Men had to protect their tribe against wild animals, against other enemies. Men had to fight wars. Women had to educate children. Maybe in some thousand years the difference will disappear. Hopefully.

    So I figure women like looking at hot men plenty. But, it seems, they're just not interested in wet men. Dang, cause I'd love to believe that I look really sexy wet! =)

Hmmm, that's really how I feel when I'm wet, too. But I also believe that only thinking one looks sexy somehow makes ones behaviour and thus the appearance sexier. Automatically. Try it. Start smiling.

    If I ever did manage to write something that worked

May I suggest to start with a simply DB table, one column per question, on record per participant? Write a simple PHP form with input elements (checkboxes, radiobuttons, combo boxes, and edit fields) to output and to verify the form and to put the record into the table. If filled, export the table and do the whole interpretation stuff using Calc or Excel or whatever.

    ScheiBe forum ist nicht spacen geinserten inbetweenen meine paragraphs...

Gesundheit!

Martina


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