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Subject: Hello Actually you do...

Date: Fri 06/10/06 15:37:46 GMT

Name: Telcontar gb

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If you remember, you wanted to rig Wetinred.com to force Save As, and we were very confused because IE was having severe problems dealing with mismatched MIME types on files. (Something I could not reproduce here in Firefox, HTTP Werkzeug or even Internet Explorer 6). I also got so sick of you not being able to open PNGs -- as well as being a Web standard for a long time, it's the best lossless Web encoding for a bitmapped image and what I have my PC set up to generate rapidly (I could go and dig out a BMP2GIF converter and set up a right-click action for that but it's not bloody fault that IE pooed itself). It was a long time before I realised you could patch up that hole with QuickTime. After a lot of desperate struggling I never got my work PC to open PNGs in IE, which was a pain, as I use IE as my preferred image viewer. (Time I wrote a better one I guess...)

 

I am not even thinking about this from the perspective of Web development, where anyone who knows their stuff will already be desperately craving the painful and bloody demise of IE. Most Web developers cause even more problems by making pages designed for IE only. Some go so far as to ban visitors with unrecognised browsers. Web standards, everyone.

 

And no, I don't accept human failing as an excuse for bugs in any browser. This is what teamwork and bug reports are for. The Mozilla/Firefox folk are a pretty pathetic bunch and it's only with Firefox 1.5 that the program started to become half-decent, but it's still full of the kinds of mistakes that only newbies are supposed to make. It's a good thing the UI is written in JavaScript (I think?) else it would be crashing a whole lot more than it does already. The IT world is a miserable mess... But Firefox is still not worse than IE. And when Firefox really does break, you can start a new profile to repair it -- a tough task but it can be done. Just ask for help. I think I need to do this, mine's developed a couple of annoying faults that I'd like to see if I can fix. At least I know I can do something about it. With IE I'd be lost.

 

Opera has had a very bad past, too, but Opera 9 -- apart from telling me that the current version is "90.2" (!) looks very much more solid. It's far better integrated with Windows, more polished, has a better CSS system (it makes at least one stupid mistake but I think I agree with them over the CSS specs ;) and generally I think it's a winner. But I have too many great Firefox extensions to want to migrate to Opera right now, particularly SessionSaver. Firefox is too buggy. My dad gets very confused by how it keeps loading up as a empty window about 64x64px in the corner of the screen that he doesn't even notice. Something to do with eBay I guess, but eBay is written by IE-slave idiots anyway and they keep screwing up the site and perpetuating their abominable UI.

 

 

I see it ultimately like this. What do IE 6 and earlier have to offer? Name me one single feature (aside from being able to gunk up the UI with far too many useless toolbars) that really has any use. Tabs? Nope. Image zoom? Very annoying implementation (iCab's is by far the best). Download manager? Nope. Good standards support? Good user control? User stylesheets? Lots of custom user extensions to add superb features? A few, I guess, not a fraction as many as Firefox.

 

I don't really see any great advantages to IE. Tabbed browsing is such a fantastic feature that at the very least, I suggest you go up to IE 7, which may fix more bugs. But really, Firefox looks and behaves very much like IE at first --- back, forwards, stop, reload. And you can have tabs. As of Firefox 1.5, pages that open links in new windows can have those links caught and put into a new tab to stop you needing two windows. And slowly as you explore Firefox you'll find all sorts of goodies. Form input handling is better in Firefox. Favicons in tabs. Firefox 1.5 puts image thumbnails into tabs so you can see what's open.

 

Opera has its own feature set I've yet to explore. But there's no harm in trying something better and being suitably surprised. You can always run more than one side by side for a while. I have IE 6, Firefox and Opera 9 on here, Safari and iCab on the iMac and iCab and IE 5.1.7 on the StarMax. I just try another browser if the first one is having problems. And HTTP Werkzeug on all three if I need to do some proper troubleshooting of broken sites...

In reply to Message (25097.2.1.1.1) Angry Re:Hey, I do not. I luv my IE6....

By WETINRED - stekz@cableone.net us Fri 06/10/06 11:39:20 GMT

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...despite some of the few quirks in it, none of those quirks have affected the performance for all the stuff I do on my pc's. As far as IE saving .bmp's all of a sudden? yes it used to do that occasionally, but it would go back to normal after 12-24 hours. So it was always no big deal, lol. Some things about any kind of browsers are unexplainable, including FF. But, thats cuz the creators are only human. There is no such animal as a "Perfect" browser. Despite what u say, Darret Wink Smile
In reply to Message (25097.2.1.1) Info I don't believe so...

By Telcontar - mrnemesis@ntlworld.com gb Fri 06/10/06 10:43:12 GMT

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Firstly, only the very occasional idiot uses Windows Bitmap (BMP) for the Web. A copy of IE that wants to save all images as BMP is *BROKEN*. This is a common failure with Windows: Internet Explorer, or the various other parts of the system that really make it up (IE is a bolted-together collection of parts) go wrong and it wants to save everything as BMP. (Though by the sounds of it, it may only do this with JPEG images... I forget quite what formats I've tried to save on every PC where IE has decided to do this, but JPEG will have been one of them)

 

Secondly, no, most sites on the Web, and most images on Flickr are NOT protected. And since with Webshots we all save by opening a raw JPEG using the View Full Size button, clearly those are also not protected. This sounds like a major problem has developed in IE.

 

The simple problem is that Internet Explorer is complete crap. It's quite prone to developing peculiar problems. Since it cannot be either uninstalled or reinstalled, and is composed of a huge bin of parts shared with other apps and parts of the system, would be a pain to attempt to cure. You can probably uninstall/reinstall other known components to help. Better still, re-install Windows. Sometimes there are fixes. WetInRed found that IE suddenly stopped viewing PNG images (which are quite commonplace on the Web). I know I've had IE display that problem. In his case, months later I finally realised: if he tells the QuickTime plugin to handle PNG, it will bypass IE and show the images. That worked. No idea why it broke, but he has the worst, screwed up copy of IE I've known. For no good reason.

 

But generally, the answer is the same now as always: stop using it. I'd probably recommend Opera as the browser of choice -- Opera or Firefox. (There isn't a whole lot else, mind) I find Firefox flaky and unreliable too but it has such a huge devoted fanbase that it can't be all that bad and for average users it's fine. Opera is relatively obscure by comparison but it does look a lot better built and has all sorts of goodies not found in Firefox like per-site controls and Paste-and-Go (I love that one).

In reply to Message (25097.2.1) Hello Re: saving pictures problem

By Anonymous - sx Fri 06/10/06 00:44:07 GMT

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This is due to the web creator placing a transparent gif over the top of the pic(BMP) i think if you look in the temp files you should find the image you are after.

Goto Tools - Internet options

Click Delete files

Reload the page

Go Back to Tools - Internet options

Click settings

Click veiw files

A list of all the files that make up that page should be shown

In reply to Message (25097.2) Hello Re: saving pictures problem

By swampy - ex Fri 06/10/06 00:16:19 GMT

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Hi I may be wrong here but are the pics copy protected so as to stop ppl saving them?

Maybe a wet producer can advise on this as I have had a similar problem I use IE5.

In reply to Message (25097) Question saving pictures problem

By Desert Hawk - us Thu 05/10/06 22:41:14 GMT

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When it comes to webshots, flickr, photobucket, or even a web page, I have no trouble saving anything that is "bitmap".  When I right click and then select save, as long as "bitmap (BMP)" comes up, no problem.  However, if "gif" or"art" come up, I can;'t save it.  If I attempt to save it, a blank goes into the "my pictures" folder.  Even if I click on the "save as type" box and manually select "bitmap", it still saves a blank.  

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