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Subject: Note Re: Re: filming at pool parties

Date: Tue 23/03/04 10:36:27 GMT

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Quote " I was at the Trocadero fountain this summer in Paris with my trusty 75-300mm zoom lens and I felt kind of creepy shooting the pictures. "

 

I love shooting Julie and her friends, they know exactly what the deal is on the photos.  We have a good time..but...

 

I shot some pics a long time ago on the nude beaches of France and Greece and I still to his day remember how I felt.  I felt like I was invading these peoples privacy. Even though, when I am taking photographs, I am trying to "capture" the female form, not just provide some pornographic slide show ....  And even though they are on a public beach, it is still their bodies and do we really have the right to photograph them nakid or essentially nakid?

 

All I can say... is that it is not for me.... perhaps only somebody who has been behind the lens, captured a private moment of some anonymous person, could relate to just how wrong it feels.  

 

But, then...there is always the paparazzi (sp?), don't those seem like a creepy bunch of guys... ever seen them interviewed on TV....   I've always felt sympathy for those they stalk after hearing them trying to justify what they do....glamour pimps!  

 

Just my 2 cents...

 

 

In reply to Message (9301.2) Talking Re: filming at pool parties

By soak_ed - soak_ed@hotmail.com de Tue 23/03/04 05:23:10 GMT

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I agree with Bob.  I thought about MK's offer but there are a lot of problems, not the least of which is the reaction to folks with a video camera at these parties.  I too have seen some pretty obnoxious behavior from folks with cameras, chasing girls etc.  Hans from Akuna video seems to have a natural way about him, he is a rather jovial older fellow and appears non threatening and he usually doesn't have a problem although I have seen a few guys question what he was doing in a hostile manner.  Another thing Hans does is negotiate with the club owner for the right to make videos and then he can tell folks he is doing it with permission.  Leon seems to have solved the problem by hosting his own events.  As much as I love wetlook and want to share, I was at the Trocadero fountain this summer in Paris with my trusty 75-300mm zoom lens and I felt kind of creepy shooting the pictures.  Another problem is something Anthony touched on, when you are shooting video or photos it is hard to enjoy what is going on around you.  Concentrating on angles, lighting and not getting busted takes some of the fun out of it.  At a lot of the parties the lighting is terrible, strobes and fog and dark light to begin with.  Sometimes it is hard to see anything, let alone trying to get it on film or video.  Like Bob, I also like to socialize at the parties and not being a native German, I don't want to cause a scene or appear obnoxious, I want to blend in.  I am 6'6", 230 lbs and believe me, I stick out in most crowds.  For me I guess the answer is to be grateful for the folks that have the balls to take video and photos and I am lucky to live in the middle of all of this great wetlook.  Not everyone may agree with my view point but that is how I feel about it.  One last note, my wife indulges me with getting wet and she usually doesn't mind if there are folks at the parties taking pictures of her.  We have met many wonderful members of the German wetlook community at various parties.  

 

P.S.  Bob, send me an email.       

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By Bob - de Mon 22/03/04 23:04:05 GMT

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I just want to reply to the Mark’s post a while back. Well, I guess, it’s not that easy. There are a couple of problems to consider.

Candid pictures and videos are very much in demand. Maybe it’s just because they are authentic and not posed and so unnatural.

Germany, Swizerland and Austria seem to be good places to capture candid wetlook scenes, because pool- and foamparties are very popular here. I know a lot of guys who travel around all of Germany – each week-end – in order to take part on any wet party available.

Some of those guys go hunderets of kilometers a night.

Of course there’s a lot of guys who carry their camera gear with them. Most of them seem to keep their material for their own. I used to be one of them. I took a lot of pictures and made videos.

We had a lot of discusions about the Candid Filming- deal on the german wetlook forum. The problem is, that there are already enough guys, who behave quite conspicuous, as they don’t dance, don’t talk, don’t chat – they just hide behind a corner, and stare at girls and boys.

In addition to this there are a lot of  “paparazzi”, who run after girls and sometimes they molest them. There are some wetlook-filmers and photographers who behave descent – so I don’t want to put them all into a bad light.

Anyway, photographers and filmers are not very welcome at pool parties – especially when they appear in crowds. In the german wetlook scene they are just called “Peeping Toms”.

I gave up the candid thing, because I have got a lot of friends in the scene and I want to keep them. I didn’t want to lose my credit, you know.

And if you go to a pool party – how do you explain your girlfriend, what you are doing with your camera gear?

So it’s not that easy. In my special case, I asked myself, if I can go on offending women’s dignity, as I captured them on film and made them objects of other men’s desire without their agreement.


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