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Subject: Note Re: Re: Re: Re: OFF TOPIC Saddam Hussein in American Custody well done to all troops

Date: Sun 14/12/03 15:52:14 GMT

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     I`ts a simple equation......If, 10, 15, or 20 years from now Iraq is a modern, democratic non-terrorist state then the US invasion/regime change would have been a success. If Iraq becomes an Islamofascist state like Iran then it would have been a failure. Period. In the meantime, the casualty count you cite in your previous post (I question its voracity) pales in comparison to the proven butchery of Saddam`s terrorist regime. The idea that "containment " from 20,000 feet can stop murderous thugs on the ground indefinately is foolishness. As far as WMD`s, the months  that the US spent seeking the approval of Saddam`s appologists in the UN gave him more than enough time to dispose of short shelf-life chem & bio weapons. The UN and the Clinton administration, among others, all recognised that these weapons existed throughout the 80`s & 90`s. Read about it. The Rawandan genocide and the US abandonment of the Sudan  happened during the presidency of leftist hero Bill Clinton, a man supposedly dedicated to the fight for human rights and darling of the head-in-the sand Socialists and Islamist supporters in Europe and elswhere (where do their leaders and monied class go for life-or-death health care? Take one guess). I did not and would not vote for G W Bush and did not support the Iraq invasion but only a person who is either an idiot or an idiologue would not recognize today`s events as positive. In response to your cost analysis, it would be in the interest of fairness to also cite the US`s funding of the UN, NATO, and any number of organisations doing good deeds around the world, not to mention the amount of foreign aid given to various nations (for you Jew haters out there, it`s not just Israel). In fairness to the US`s critics, it has financed and supported several tyrants and assorted assholes around the globe. It`s the difference between flawed and evil. Anyone following news of natural disasters around the world would know who is usually first to deliver aid. Anyone out there want to cite a nation more forthcoming with assistance around the world than the US? Who? As far as your totally unfounded and cinical charge that the war in Iraq is a blatant oil grab (a main tenet of leftist religion), it would be impossible for Bush to pull it off without worldwide condemnation. If that happens I`ll be first in line to speak out. It is true that the Baath party was originally supported by the West as a political bridge for Islam to the modern world. It became a repository for monsters but Iraq`s arsenal was mostly sold to them by the USSR. France was dealing with Saddam right up to the invasion. I suggest you forget about rabbits, find a pill that makes you more objective in your thinking and get back to wetlook.
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By ray - ray_diaz1@yahoo,com us Sun 14/12/03 09:00:20 GMT

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Setting people free?  Since when did this become about setting people free?.....oh I remember now.....when they could not find the WMD....then it became about freedom and Hussein's genocide.

 

Come on...get real...it is not about people's freedom, it is about the world's third largest reserve of oil. After all, it was the USA that armed Hussein and supported Iraq in it's war against Iran and if you remember it was our ambassador that gave Iraq the information we would not take action if they invaded Kuwait.

 

Hussein certainly was a terrible man, and it was the USA that created him, just like Noriega and other terrible dictators to suit out objectives.  Then we all of a sudden become horrified when they now longer take orders from us, but start acting out on their own.

 

If genocide is such an important issue, where was the USA and UK when 800,000 were killed in 100 days in Rwanda?  Why aren't we in the Sudan, protecting the minority populations?  "The war in Iraq has sidetracked everyone away from Sudan, the place of the worst human rights nightmare on the planet.  Taking advantage of this situation, the Khartoum regime has stepped up its genocidal warfare against its own people," There has been an estimated 2 MILLION deaths in this genocide.  

 

There are terrible things happening in our world every day, and yes I believe we should be part of the solution.  We are supporting people of peace in missions in Liberia and Sudan and places where 100 billion dollars could save lives instead of costing lives.  

 

It is a FACT that we were spending 100 million a year to contain Hussein and protect the minorities in the North and South with the no-fly zones.  Iraq did not need to be invaded, we did not have to kill and injure all these people to protect them...

 

You are right, terrible things happen when people sit silently by, that is why Julie and I don't.....

 

now....where is that pill that makes you bigger? or is it smaller?  where is that damn rabbit!

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By Kev - kev@styx-photography.com gb Sun 14/12/03 06:24:01 GMT

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I guess is was something to do with setting people free and if one person holds everyone in thrall then you have to get him.

 

Problem is when the west does something they're wrong, when they don't do something they're wrong.

 

Don't forget we are talking about a regime that killed at least 10 times more Iraqi's than the US has done, a regime that has almost exterminated the Marsh Arabs, gassed thousands of men, women and children. A regime that has already (twice- Iran and Kuwait) invaded a neighbour and virtually destroyed it through sick, wanton, destruction.

 

We should have finished it years ago- but the bleeding hearts called a halt- creating death and torture for thousands in Iraq. But it doesn't matter to them, they're safe and free in their own little worlds. How would you feel if your wife/mother/son/brother was hanging up on a meat hook in a torture chamber, whilst the cosy, safe people of the west argued about doing something about it?

 

Don't forget the old saying, which goes something like, evil exists when the good men of the world sit back and do nothing.

 

As for the other posting concerning terrorism. What's the alternative? What are the demands of the terrorists? It's quite simple really- give up our way of life!

 

So all we have to do is treat women like dogs, ban music and laughter and all the things in life we work for and enjoy. How do you negotiate with people who do not believe in your right to exist?

 

There would be no "free spirits" under this lot- wet or dry

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By ray - ray_diaz1@yahoo,com us Sun 14/12/03 05:11:24 GMT

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Really... 50,000 Iraq lives lost, 9,000 USA injured or killed, over a 100 billion spent so far... to capture 1 guy...why do I feel I followed a rabbit down a hole somewhere?
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By wetlook wammer - nick_patchett@hotmail.com gb Sun 14/12/03 04:45:40 GMT

Website: to coin a phrase from the us Administrator "Ladies and Gentleman we got him"


Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has been captured alive near his home town of Tikrit. The US told the world: "We got him."

 

 

Reports have also suggested that Saddam has already be removed from Iraq by the US.

 

US administrator Paul Bremer told a packed news conference it was a great day for Iraqis. "The tyrant is a prisoner," he said.

 

Cheers and shouts of "death to Saddam, death to Saddam" erupted when a video of the former leader undergoing medical checks was shown to journalists.

 

Saddam looked dishevelled and tired, with long hair and a long, greying beard.

 

US and Coalition forces found him asleep in a six-to-eight-foot-long hole in the ground where he had buried himself to avoid capture. He had a suitcase of cash, a pistol and two rifles with him.

 

 

  

 Captured: Saddam Hussein

 

  

 

He is now being held under tight security and has been described by the US as "talkative and cooperative" and "a man resigned to his fate".

 

 

DNA and medical tests have been carried out and the 66-year-old's identity confirmed.

 

Tony Blair, who returned to Downing Street from Chequers, said: "Let his capture bring about unity, reconciliation and peace between all the people in Iraq."

 

Three members of the Iraqi Governing Council visually identified Saddam. They said he was trying to justify his crimes and described him as tired and "unrepentant" and "defiant".

 

He is expected to be put on trial in public.

 

Hundreds of exultant people took to the streets of Kirkuk and Baghdad firing weapons into the air in celebration.

 

 

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