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Subject: None Re:What host would you sugest a new producer used?

Date: Sat 30/12/17 05:11:17 GMT

Name: MK gb

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No..... the main cc processors like Verotel and ccBill wil alwaysl charge "adult" or :fetish websites 12-15%......that 2-6% rate ONLY applies to mainstream merchants selling non-adult products. Try it and see....apply for a merchant account with ccBill or Verotel and they will INSIST on reviewing your website before they will grant you a cc merchant account, and if your website is adult or fetish related. guess what....you are placed in a whole new category and deemed to be what the credit card companies call a "high risk merchant". A high risk merchant is one that receives an above average rate of :"chargebacks".....because they "claim" that a higher number of people using adult websites use STOLEN credits cards.

 

Therefore the credit card processors will always charge much higher fees to adult merchants, than they do for regular retail merchants.

 

Also, the rates the creidt card companies charge....is based on your monthly transaction volume. and you only start to get big discounts IF your monthly transactions exceed $25,000 per month in sales......which is why Clips4sale, UMD and The mohership can all get highly discounted cc rates, because they host many stores in their systems, and UMD and theMothershop each process over 100K per month in transactions, while Clips4sale with 30,000+ stores has annual reported sales of 15 million per year so they are processing well over a million dollars per month. Small time wet and messy producers with their own sites do not meet the 25K per month requirement to earn discounted cc rates.

 

So....if you are a smalltime maiinstrream  retaliler you get very favorable cc rates. ,,,,but you get totally screwed if you are a small time adult merchant. If you have a BIG time network of wam sites and process over 25K per month you will get better cc rates..  

 

If you think you can get 2-6% rates from ccBill or Verotel......you are dreaming....because we use both processors and they charge us 12%. The only way you can get lower rates from ccBill or Verotel....is to lie on the application form and try to tell them your websiite is not an adult site.....but that will not fly because they conduct periodic inspections on the content of your site and if they deem your site is adult in nature and you misled them on their application form, they will suspend your account immediately..

 

This is why I started this thread.....because most people who are not producers  themselves have little understanding of the difficulties of running your own website....i.e. we are discrimiinated against  and ripped off by the cc compamies in an unfair way.....because they classify us as "high risk merchants" and use that as false excuse to charge us 3 times higher rates than regular merchants. FYI the industry standard for a regular merchant viz stolen cards and chargebacks is 2-3% for regular merchants.....i.e no more than 3% of your transactions can be chargebacks. In my case,,,,,my chargeback ratio is less than 0.02% of my transactions.....so I would argue that I am less of a risk than retail merchants are....but ccBill and Verotel won't buy that.....they just tar you unfairly with the "adult site" label and use that as an excuse to charge you 3 times higher rates than regukar retail merchants.

 

MK  

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By Soak_ed - soak_ed@hotmail.com pl Sat 30/12/17 03:04:35 GMT

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What credit cord processing center charges 12-15%?  When I worked in retail it was usually between 2 and 6% with AMEX charging the highest amount (which is why many retail stores won't accept AMEX cards).  If you are going through someone like Verotel or one of the other intermediary processors, maybe, but why don't you deal directly with the bank?
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By MK - wamtec@comcast.net gb Fri 29/12/17 20:32:01 GMT

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Well....firstly I am not connnected with Clips4sale, UMD, The Mothership....or with any oher 3rd party store system....so my views are based on being a store owner and user of those 3 systems only, and not as a paid advocate. I have my own server and store system as well.

 

To answer your questions

 

>I am thinking of uplaoding some private stuff and making a small store, but the prices you quoted are shocking. I even find the cheaper ones are higher than I thought and 40 percent is just shocking.

 

I would not call it shocking. I would simply call it way out of line with today's more modern clipstore systems. Back in 2004 when Clips4sale were created, they were the only game in town, so they could charge whatever they like. Their main target was to attract people who had no technical skills and were unable to create their own site...independent models and folks who were not pc literate. What they did was to create a simple design with an uploader form that anybody could easily use....so if you know how to upload videos to Yoiutube, you could use their system too. So they charged 40% because there were many people who were pc illiterate. But anybody who knew a little more about technology, could figure out they were better off getting their own hosting package and server and designing their own site instead. These days, most store store systems are designed to be state of the art.....like the UMD or IWANTCLIPS.com systems.....those systems are like a top of the line Merecides whereas Clips4sale is like a rusty 14 year old pickup truck that has hardly changed at all in all those years. The latest and more modern clipstore systems all charge 30%.....which is reasonable, given that this fee includes credit card processing fees and server costs, and if you create your own site and server you will still have to pay for you own server at around $300 per month and get your own cc merchant account, and they will charge you 12% to 15% in cc fees per transaction.. So....hosting costs + cc fees will cost you approx 20% of sales if you do it yourself anyway, so if somebody charges you 30% for all in fees, then the store system is making a 10% profit margin....so 30% is reasonable. But 40% means than after hosting costs, cc fees and tech support staff, then Clips4sale is making a 20% profit margin....which seems excessive in 2017....given that all the other clip hosting companies charge far less.

 

>I’m don’t know anything about the UMD system, is it any good?

 

Yes....this is a very sophisticated system. I have a store there at https://wamtec.umd.net   The system is very state of the art and the best thing is....it is fully intergated with the UMD forums and all your video updates get promoted on their forums as well.  This system has all he bells and whistles....i.e. when you upload a video this not only put this in your download store, but it can generate a streaming file that will play in your streaming site as well.  They charge 30%....which is reasonable (given that it costs them around 20% for your cc fees, hosting costs and they have excellent tech support).

 

>The Mothership is sadly not possible, as they didn’t get into the HD era, as it was often mentioned here that they only accept 1GB files max, which I have not seen on any other system.

>And whey I look at my own HD movies or those I download from say Wetlook HD as they are similiar in lengh, they tend to be between 800MB and 1.3GB and I don’t really want to use a site which would require editing them down to 720p or cutting them etc.

 

I am not a techie.....but the file size limits that many hosting companies impose are there for a good reason.....something to do with the old FAT32 file storage systems on some servers....and because of that, no single file can be large than 1.8gigs in size....so most hosting companies set their file size limits to be lower...at around 1.2 gigs, UMD has a similar 1.2 gig limit on files you can upload as well. I would not get hung up on this.....because what large or long video uploaders do is to upload their videos in multi parts.....so you can split the file and upload it in 2 parts, and then set your download store record to sell those 2 part as a "bundle".....it is really no sweat at all.

 

>Clips4sale seemed the natural place to upload say 10 home movie clips I’ve made over the years with an intention to maybe do some more and maybe not.

 

It is definitely the easiest and most simple option....but....it depends on what is the nature of your content.......and what is your technical knowledge.......i.e. if your content is mainstream XXX porn.....and you have little technical knowldege......then Clips4sale is your best bet. Sure....they will take 40%....but you will get lots more sales from their site because they have the largest traffic of any clips site.

 

If your content is not XXX rated......you would be wasting your time using Clips4sale....because you will get much more traffic from the UMD or Mothershp system and their traffic hubs.

 

> What host would you suggest a new producer used?

 

Well.....you say you only have 10 home movie clips....so it is not worthwhile for you to pay a designer to design a site for you and for you to lease your own server space and cc facilities. It only makes cost sense to have your own site and server when you have made at least 100+ clips. If you only have 10 clips, it is easier for you to use UMD or Mothership systems, and to split your clips into 2 parts if they are over 1.3 GB in size.

 

MK

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By Baltazaar - us Fri 29/12/17 18:59:36 GMT

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I am thinking of uplaoding some private stuff and making a small store, but the prices you quoted are shocking. I even find the cheaper ones are higher than I thought and 40 percent is just shocking.

 

I’m don’t know anything about the UMD system, is it any good?

 

The Mothership is sadly not possible, as they didn’t get into the HD era, as it was often mentioned here that they only accept 1GB files max, which I have not seen on any other system. And whey I look at my own HD movies or those I download from say Wetlook HD as they are similiar in lengh, they tend to be between 800MB and 1.3GB and I don’t really want to use a site which would require editing them down to 720p or cutting them etc.

 

Clips4sale seemed the natural place to upload say 10 home movie clips I’ve made over the years with an intention to maybe do some more and maybe not

 

B

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By MK - wamtec@comcast.net gb Fri 29/12/17 18:47:24 GMT

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This is a continuation of the interesting topic about the pricing of videos

 

http://forum.minxmovies.com/showc.cgi?72255.2.1.1

 

I thought I would add some info that you may not be aware of. Firstly, I agree that it is the fans and the consumers who should have a big say in what the pricing for media should be.....and producers should respond to the fans and take note of their opinions.

 

However, here is one fact of life about CLIPS4SALE that few people other than store owners know about. Any producer who hosts his media on a Clips4sale store has no ability to set their own preferred prices.....Clips4sale is rather greedy entity that dictates to producers what prices they can charge for a video.... and then they take 40% from each sale as their commission. FYI nearly all other clipstores and hosting systems (i.e. Iwantclips.com meanclips.com UMD system Mothershiip stores etc) charge a standard 30% for hosting clips, and the producer gets 70% of their sales)....but clips4sale charges a wopping 40% to all of it's store owners, making it the costliest place for a producer to place their clips. Having a store at Clips4sale is the MOST expensive place for a producer to place their clips....because it costs them 40% of their sales.....and on top of that....no Clips4sale producer is even allowed to set their own prices (as you can do on the UMD and Mothership systems)....because on Clips4sale they used  rigid carved in stone pricing tables (that have not been updated since Clips4sale started in 2004) whereby the table dictates what your clip price can be.....based upon a ridiculous and outdated formula that sets the price, based on how many minutes of video you have. So that means....if you have a short clip of 20 minutes of less....the clips4sale system dictates to you that the lowest price you can set is $1 per minute of video......which is why you see 20 minute clips being priced at $19.99....because the clps4sale system will not allow the producer to type in their own prices, and they force the store owner to charge $1 per minute.

 

I have my own store at Clips4sale as well....so I know how they operate, I have written to their tech support and to their owner Neil Orkin a few times to ask if they will let us set our own prices, or they should at least update their $1 per minute pricing table system that has not been changed in 13 years.....to make it realistic with 2017 prices.....i.e. clips do not sell at $1 per minute in this age of free media site like Youtube and Pornhub...and today a clip will only be attractive to consumers if it is priced at around 30 cents to 50 cents per minute of video.....but it is impossible to set lower prices on Clips4sale when their system forces you to charge a minimum of $1 per minute. The reply I got from clips4sale when I asked them to update their pricing system was......sorry...we like things the way they are....we have no plans to change our pricing system.  I am sure sure they like things the way they are....cos Neil Orkin has a published networth of over 100 million dollars and lives in a big mansion in Tampa and has 2 Ferraris and a Lambo....so I am sure he likes getting 40% of the sales from the 39.000 stores in his system and forcing all his stores to overprice their clips. Great for him.....not so good for the store owners and for consumers,

 

This is why most wetook and messy producers do not use Clips4sale.....because if you create your own site and lease your own server you do not have to give up 40% of your sales to a 3rd party and then you can make big savings on your hosting costs and then set your own prices on your own  website and then pass those savings onto the consumer. This is why you see the biggest producers like Mostwam and Eurowam running their own servers and designing their own sites, so that gives them more flexibility to set lower prices and offer discount and free bonus videos (none of which you can do on Clips4sale).

 

The only reason to use Clips4sale....is if you are producing XXX rated hardcore content.....because they have a much larger traffic than anyone else.....but if you are producing non x-rated wetlook or messy media.....there is no reason to use them...because the largest traffic centers are here on Nigel;s forum and on Derek's UMD forums....and The Mothership or UMD hosting systems are much better suited to wet and messy producers and they charge only 30% and let you set your own prices, special offers, free videos etc....so you have more freedoms to cater to the consumers needs.

 

Bottom line = the consumer is right and they determine what they are willing to pay for media, or else they walk away and live on Youtubes. But Clips4sale is a dictatorship where store owners have no control over what prices they wish to set.....so only use them if you are happy to see Neil Orkin buy his next Ferrari...ha ha. Seriously, producers get a much better deal and more flexibility over prices when they use the Mothership or UMD systems.....because the owners of those 2 systems are insider wam fans themselves, so they understand the needs of wet and messy  consumers and producers. Of course if you have some tech skills, the best thing is to lease your own server and design your own website.

 

Another way that producers can cater to wet and messy fans on a budget, is to offer the fans a streaming video option......so if folks are on a budget and prefer a lower cost option to download store ala carte prices, then offer folks an all access membership option to view thousands of videos for a low monthly price...e.g. Flaviu and I have over 2500 videos in our streaming site wamflix.com, and we add 10-20 new videos every week, so you can view a couple thousand videos for only $20 per month. Leon has created the same concept with his MostwamTV site and UMD now have streaming sites on their system as well. Producers try their best to give lots of options.

 

MK


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