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Subject: Info pricing issues

Date: Fri 29/12/17 18:47:24 GMT

Name: MK gb

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This is a continuation of the interesting topic about the pricing of videos

 

http://forum.minxmovies.com/showc.cgi?72255.2.1.1

 

I thought I would add some info that you may not be aware of. Firstly, I agree that it is the fans and the consumers who should have a big say in what the pricing for media should be.....and producers should respond to the fans and take note of their opinions.

 

However, here is one fact of life about CLIPS4SALE that few people other than store owners know about. Any producer who hosts his media on a Clips4sale store has no ability to set their own preferred prices.....Clips4sale is rather greedy entity that dictates to producers what prices they can charge for a video.... and then they take 40% from each sale as their commission. FYI nearly all other clipstores and hosting systems (i.e. Iwantclips.com meanclips.com UMD system Mothershiip stores etc) charge a standard 30% for hosting clips, and the producer gets 70% of their sales)....but clips4sale charges a wopping 40% to all of it's store owners, making it the costliest place for a producer to place their clips. Having a store at Clips4sale is the MOST expensive place for a producer to place their clips....because it costs them 40% of their sales.....and on top of that....no Clips4sale producer is even allowed to set their own prices (as you can do on the UMD and Mothership systems)....because on Clips4sale they used  rigid carved in stone pricing tables (that have not been updated since Clips4sale started in 2004) whereby the table dictates what your clip price can be.....based upon a ridiculous and outdated formula that sets the price, based on how many minutes of video you have. So that means....if you have a short clip of 20 minutes of less....the clips4sale system dictates to you that the lowest price you can set is $1 per minute of video......which is why you see 20 minute clips being priced at $19.99....because the clps4sale system will not allow the producer to type in their own prices, and they force the store owner to charge $1 per minute.

 

I have my own store at Clips4sale as well....so I know how they operate, I have written to their tech support and to their owner Neil Orkin a few times to ask if they will let us set our own prices, or they should at least update their $1 per minute pricing table system that has not been changed in 13 years.....to make it realistic with 2017 prices.....i.e. clips do not sell at $1 per minute in this age of free media site like Youtube and Pornhub...and today a clip will only be attractive to consumers if it is priced at around 30 cents to 50 cents per minute of video.....but it is impossible to set lower prices on Clips4sale when their system forces you to charge a minimum of $1 per minute. The reply I got from clips4sale when I asked them to update their pricing system was......sorry...we like things the way they are....we have no plans to change our pricing system.  I am sure sure they like things the way they are....cos Neil Orkin has a published networth of over 100 million dollars and lives in a big mansion in Tampa and has 2 Ferraris and a Lambo....so I am sure he likes getting 40% of the sales from the 39.000 stores in his system and forcing all his stores to overprice their clips. Great for him.....not so good for the store owners and for consumers,

 

This is why most wetook and messy producers do not use Clips4sale.....because if you create your own site and lease your own server you do not have to give up 40% of your sales to a 3rd party and then you can make big savings on your hosting costs and then set your own prices on your own  website and then pass those savings onto the consumer. This is why you see the biggest producers like Mostwam and Eurowam running their own servers and designing their own sites, so that gives them more flexibility to set lower prices and offer discount and free bonus videos (none of which you can do on Clips4sale).

 

The only reason to use Clips4sale....is if you are producing XXX rated hardcore content.....because they have a much larger traffic than anyone else.....but if you are producing non x-rated wetlook or messy media.....there is no reason to use them...because the largest traffic centers are here on Nigel;s forum and on Derek's UMD forums....and The Mothership or UMD hosting systems are much better suited to wet and messy producers and they charge only 30% and let you set your own prices, special offers, free videos etc....so you have more freedoms to cater to the consumers needs.

 

Bottom line = the consumer is right and they determine what they are willing to pay for media, or else they walk away and live on Youtubes. But Clips4sale is a dictatorship where store owners have no control over what prices they wish to set.....so only use them if you are happy to see Neil Orkin buy his next Ferrari...ha ha. Seriously, producers get a much better deal and more flexibility over prices when they use the Mothership or UMD systems.....because the owners of those 2 systems are insider wam fans themselves, so they understand the needs of wet and messy  consumers and producers. Of course if you have some tech skills, the best thing is to lease your own server and design your own website.

 

Another way that producers can cater to wet and messy fans on a budget, is to offer the fans a streaming video option......so if folks are on a budget and prefer a lower cost option to download store ala carte prices, then offer folks an all access membership option to view thousands of videos for a low monthly price...e.g. Flaviu and I have over 2500 videos in our streaming site wamflix.com, and we add 10-20 new videos every week, so you can view a couple thousand videos for only $20 per month. Leon has created the same concept with his MostwamTV site and UMD now have streaming sites on their system as well. Producers try their best to give lots of options.

 

MK


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