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Message # 71575.4.1.1.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1

Subject: Check your email

Date: Mon 16/10/17 21:11:58 GMT

Name: MikeyABQ

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By MikeyABQ - Mon 16/10/17 20:45:52 GMT

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I started the topic in good faith. I wanted another answer. I hoped for answers like your’s, MKs and Edwins

Insider knowledge that proved this was not racism.

I didn’t expect the s**t storm and the two so racist replies (like that one Canadian dude) which actually would result in a ban on Facebook.

However you are wrong that I was thinking of you. I’ve been told I made a mistake, and actually while the site is in perfect English it is actually not from an English speaking country. So now I see why I thought I meant you, but I said the truth, I did not mean you. Yes, I thought that Shell was actually the only non-white girl on your site, I didn’t know any others, which is why I did not give it as a positive example like Erik’s but I also did not think of it. If you want I can email you the site I was thinking. The story of that site is a bit similiar to yours, so maybe I should have said it better. However if I meant you I would not say it’s a big wetlook enterprize, but a big wet and messy enterprize, as the growth into WAM would be distincitive...

But yes, I feel stupid and ashamed of frazing it in such a way that you and others could have thought it was about you. For that I am sorry.

By leonmoomin - leon@mostwam.com Mon 16/10/17 17:47:52 GMT

Website: https://mostwam.tv//?action=root&controller=platform%2Fcatalog/ www.mostwam.tv

So, I spotted your post go up on Friday, but I'm very busy and don't really come to this forum much due to the amount of stuff like this that can pop up.

Saturday I was away with my family and on Sunday we were busy shooting again.

Then yesterday I saw that this post had grown and you were throwing around that a producer was a racist or a neo-nazi, but not outright naming.

So I replied, but hadn't yet read all the spiralling threads.

Not aimed at me you say???

""This dude started before my very eyes, first with candids, than a small pay site. While it was all based on his than GF I think, and her friends it was all cool. But the thing started to grow, to contain many genres and than into a gigantic eterprise by wetlook standards. I don’t think you are thinking of the same person, as this guys native language is definetly English...""

Who the hell do you think you are that you can throw around wildly false accusations like this?

what, because I was too busy and un-bothered about this forum to check it for a few days, it confirms that I am indeed a racist because I dared not to immediately comment to defend myself??

You need to do a lot more research before you go throwing around accusations like that, perhaps the first of which being to check if our site was 100% pure white as you described it, then you would need proof that we had been actively refusing girls of colour work, you should also have looked into where we are based, to see if there was even a massive amount of none-white girls available.

Then after all of that you probably should have messaged me privately BEFORE calling me out as a racist in a public forum.

Hopefully you feel really stupid and ashamed of what you did?

No, I am not a racist, but, you are a complete tool.

leonmoomin

By MikeyABQ - Sun 15/10/17 22:19:18 GMT

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By leonmoomin - leon@mostwam.com Sun 15/10/17 22:03:14 GMT

Website: https://mostwam.tv//?action=root&controller=platform%2Fcatalog/ www.mostwam.tv

1.  We recruit locally, it is the best way to be able to have girls who are always available when the sun comes out, which is rare and unpredictable.

We are based in Weston super Mare, which is quite a large town, but the important thing here is the demographics of our town.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston-super-Mare#Demography

96.5 % of the population is white

2.  We post adverts for girls that do not discriminate or seek only white girls, but, nor do we post adverts looking for only non-white girls.

We are an equal opportunities company, the problem is we do not get non-white girls applying, why is that?

Who knows, probably the above mentioned demography of our area has the most to do with it.

That is not down to us, just the way it is.

That being said we have worked with several non-white girls, the most regular of those being Shell.

http://mostwam.com/store.html?keywords=shell&parentsite=

Who worked with us a lot for many years, who we love dearly and who isn't white.

We currently work with a girl called Danielle, who hasn't done much wetlook yet, but will probably do more in future, she has done lots of messy stuff with us though.

http://mostwam.com/store.html?id=5641

We also work with a girls called Corrine, again not much wetlook of her yet, but there will be:

https://mostwam-office.umd.net/download_info/new-girl-corrines-interview

A girl called Nim started with us last year, but unfortunately became pregnant after only working with us for one messy day:

http://mostwam.com/store.html?id=5562

A girl called called Samara did a couple of episodes of TopGunge with us once and I was really, really keen for her to be one of our regular girls on the sites, but unfortunately she didn't want to.

http://topgunge.com/store.html?episode=15

Sure I know, none of those girls is 100% black or Asian, but, it isn't up to us who applies to work with us.

We just view people as people, not as skin colours.

leonmoomin

By MikeyABQ - Sun 15/10/17 20:25:32 GMT

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The thing is, I can’t name names, but there is this one producer who exceptionally stands out. Thousands of sets produced and no girl of color. I’m not sure of his exact location in a very diverse Western country, but this would be even weird for a website in Warsaw or Prague with that magnitude of output. For instance see Allwam etc, based in Czechia, such a supposedly racist country with a very small non white population - the output shows that the company is not racist. Black and Asian girls do appear in the Allwam showers. Rarely, but the amount of them actually goes quite nicely with the amount of them in Czechia. So they are not turned down. Yet when you have a producer in western Europe who makes a lot of photos and videos for waaay over a decade and had NOT A SINGLE NON-WHITE GIRL you start to wonder. And the dreaded “political” R word just pops up. Also, when you spend part of your life in Poland, a country dubbed racist by most of the West, yet you see an actual over representation of minorities in a way, from the winners of local Idol type competitions to modelling websites, black and Asian girls are present, despite the fact that they are very rare outside of Warsaw and even in Warsaw, the percentage would probably be many times lower than in Sheffield or Bristol, the shocking whitness of a site from a Western country is even more shocking. It is just not possible that the guy hasn’t had a single non-white model react to his casting call. So he must have turned them away due to race. So why shouldn’t I call this racist? My ancestral country is probably somewhat racist and the media calls it that all the time, especially western media, so a bit of hypocracy is also involved...

I think you have maybe the biggest chance of guessing which producer I mean, for a reason. So go view his numerous sites dating way back and please tell me if it’s natural even if he lives in Sheffield or Leicester (keeping with the British theme, not suggesting actual locations of the producer)

By Magician - Sun 15/10/17 16:21:24 GMT

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Another thought, is that if you look up websites based in countries such as Nigeria , India or China, whether they are wetlook or not, I would again suggest that the models will be predominately Black, Chinese or Indian - not because anyone has gone out of their way to employ only local models and exclude western women, but simply because it did not occur to them to do anything other than employ locals and finding those local models is easy. This must be true for virtually everyone - there is no thought or malice in the decisions made, it is simply easy and expedient

By MikeyABQ - Sun 15/10/17 00:28:53 GMT

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But you must understand the other side. I've spent my life traveling the US/EU. My parents are half American (redneck country) and half Polish (in the media a total neo-Nazi country). Yet I've never seen such discrimination as in the wetlook community. Even in Poland, Russia or Czechia, dubbed totally racist by the west. I mean, local TV singing/dancing competitions were won by people of color in all these countries. And mosques or halal shops in Warsaw are actually not attacked and still standing, despite the media stating that all Eastern Europeans are racists. The absolute most racism I've seen was not in Poland. Or Indiana. It was here. Not only the percentage of white models, but also the reactions.

So I expect people to really represent their society - which actually it seems the East does better - WetRom had Gypsy-girls, Candid girls of color from Moscow are present in the actual number that they exist, yet apart from you ABSOLUTELY NO Western European/US producers decided to respond as to why their output is what it is.

While most lie the output is only about what the community wants to see... when the data from candid producers shows it is not.

So while I thank you for your explanation and I really don't call you racist, I wonder why it's so hard for most to reply to the girls of color issue, while the winter wetlook, ripping, wet hair/shoes issue is easy.

Anyway, while I'm awaiting a ban any minute here (and no, I would not mail this as a story to CNN, though they would probably be interested in the thread) I just want to know why the streets and girls next door are so different than the wetlook output. Once again (I think all I'm righting is disclaimers) I don't expect models of color from producers based in Alaska, Wyoming, rural Indiana, Poland, the Ukraine or Russia. I expect (as in actually all other places) a representation of the population.

But I am not as naive as you many (even you?) seem to think. I know the differences and local population types. I never labeled A Splash of Glamour as racist. Your site is basically art. I meant the sites which started as legends but now basically produce typical sets/videos each weak.

I really can't say more, but I'm shocked if nobody sees which sites I'm talking about. Especially the European LEGEND, for a very diverse country, which has not showed us EVEN ONE girl of color among hundreds, or now thousands probably of sets...

By EdR - asplashofglamour@gmail.com Sat 14/10/17 20:38:21 GMT

Website: www.asplashofglamour.com

I'm willing to join the discussion, but I'm not willing to be accused of racism. My body of work does not suggest racism and I don't view people in terms of black, white, blue, green, yellow, brown or whatever. I don't spend time looking up census statistics so I can make sure I have a proportionate representation of our population. The current political narrative forces all of us to see people and do things and think in ways we didn't need to. In the grand scheme we are all "Americans" (If you live here) and we all bleed the same color of red. But some here want to split us apart and identify us as "hyphenated Americans" Anotherwords we are put into groups, and in this case, based on skin color we might be "African-Americans, Asian-Americans, Hispanic-American, or whatever. I don't think in those terms. In this country, I see all of us as being "American" no matter the color of your skin…. I don't like to talk politics here, this isn't the place for it. All I'm here to do is enjoy a fantasy and run a business to create images.

Yes, I admit, there aren't very many black models who have appeared on "A Splash of Glamour",It's not because I am racist or lack desire, I just haven't found black models in my area willing to work with us. -Not that I'm specifically looking for black models, or white models. I'm looking for any model. I'm not thinking, 'Hey, I need a black model or a brown model, or a whatever" (Thats actually racist thinking) I work with whomever accepts the pay. If they happen to be black, white or whatever, it's irrelevant to me. But, as an FYI of the recent black girls I had asked, to do WAM or wetlook, we've been turned down. Probably more so among black models than all other "groups" combined. I don't know why that is, in this area. But we haven't found them here.

In my point of view, beauty comes in all colors shapes, sizes and ages. I don't go out of my way to fill in every niche. All I try to do is find these wonderful women who are willing to get totally wet while wearing clothing, so that I can take photos or videos of them. Their age, weight, skin color, tattoos, whatever means nothing to me. And as it turns out, many are now personal friends.

EdR

By MikeyABQ - Sat 14/10/17 15:00:25 GMT

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It seems the WetClothingGirls thingy (which seems to be quite unwelcome here) is actually the only producer who truly has models representing the diversity of their country. Many of the big ones, our legends, seem very racist. Yet don’t even have the guts to join the discussion. Not cool...

By alias jollywetfellow - Sat 14/10/17 13:00:28 GMT

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But I think Franky and AnthonyX are right - it is not 'racist' to be turned on more by one type of woman than another, any more than it is 'wetist' to be turned on by women who are wet.     And it is right, too, to say that it depends on one's own experience.    I don't think people find a picture, in itself, sexy; to be turned on by a picture you need to be able to imagine the real, living, breathing, pheromone-emitting woman which the picture portrays.    If you have rarely or never encountered a real, living, breathing, pheromone-emitting black or Asian woman, you are unlikely to be turned on by a picture of one.    

And it takes some time to get used to the idea of other races as sexy - just after leaving school I had a one-week temporary job in which one of the other temporary staff was a black girl of my own age from London; in hindsight I know that I found her madly sexy and that she really fancied me, but I had spent my entire life up until then in small-town Scotland and hardly ever seen a black or Asian person except in books, and just couldn't get my head round being sexually attracted to this alien-seeming being, so nothing happened - one of the greatest regrets of my life.....

By MikeyABQ - Fri 13/10/17 21:33:42 GMT

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I know the wetlook community is mainly based in the US and Europe and people often like to see the girl next door type, but...

Statistically white dudes also like the exotic beauties. Yet it seems not to be the case in the wetlook community. Or is it only among wetlook producers?

I'm going straight into a mine field here, as I will not name names (except positive or justified examples), but actually it's easy to see who is generally NOT representing their countries population...

I fully understand that producers from the Ukraine and Russia (both model and candid) don't really have a choice in skin color, though there are still some (mainly Asian) models present

WetRom is also doing a good job in getting a bit darker skin toned girls in (at least one of his stars must have Roma (gypsy) blood in her), so no discrimination there.

However things get iffy when we go further west and to North America.

I mean kudos to Erik Elsas, he seems to be trying for some diversity.

But as for most producers, from countries which are only say 60-70 percent white, well it seems they represented are whiter than Poland or Lithuania, as virtually all models seem to be white Caucasian.

Why is that? I mean I know there were some sites dedicated to black (or other women of color) wetlook, but that was a long time ago. Some sites dedicated to Asian models/candids still exist (as do some Asian by origin sites), but also few.

So I wonder, will you discuss a more serious topic? It's between shoes or no shoes, summer or winter clothing, ripping or no ripping, messy or no messy here. But are you up for a more serious discussion?

The question is are many well known wetlook producers racist? Or the wetlook public for some reason? Because this fetish seems to be 99.9% about white girls.

Yet the whole industry in the West is definitely not. Even Tainster/AllWam has more diversity despite being based in Czechia.

And no, I don't want to stir controversy. I just like seeing Asian and darker skinned women in wetlook. I mean I like the more Western dress type, as in some tropical countries, they just wear to little clothes, but you know, there is this one dude, from the UK, who posts candids from English beaches. Non-white girls (dressed in western ways) seem to be the majority there... And this is practically the only consistent source for such photos.