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Subject: Thumbs Up Thanks for the reply, please read

Date: Sun 15/10/17 00:28:53 GMT

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The first truthful one I got among tones of abuse and silence. Actually I was not thinking of you when I wrote this. I was thinking of two "special" or "legendary" Western EU/US (sorry can't say no more) businesses which have to go out of their way not to hire models which are only white, based on their location. This is very worrying. I mean one dude is based in a place which is about 60 percent white, 20 percent black and 20 percent brown, yet has 100% (every single one) white models. This is not normal. I don't even know where you are based, but I was not judging you and I'm thankful for your reply, despite the fact that I don't agree with it all.

 

But you must understand the other side. I've spent my life traveling the US/EU. My parents are half American (redneck country) and half Polish (in the media a total neo-Nazi country). Yet I've never seen such discrimination as in the wetlook community. Even in Poland, Russia or Czechia, dubbed totally racist by the west. I mean, local TV singing/dancing competitions were won by people of color in all these countries. And mosques or halal shops in Warsaw are actually not attacked and still standing, despite the media stating that all Eastern Europeans are racists. The absolute most racism I've seen was not in Poland. Or Indiana. It was here. Not only the percentage of white models, but also the reactions.

 

So I expect people to really represent their society - which actually it seems the East does better - WetRom had Gypsy-girls, Candid girls of color from Moscow are present in the actual number that they exist, yet apart from you ABSOLUTELY NO Western European/US producers decided to respond as to why their output is what it is.

 

While most lie the output is only about what the community wants to see... when the data from candid producers shows it is not.

 

So while I thank you for your explanation and I really don't call you racist, I wonder why it's so hard for most to reply to the girls of color issue, while the winter wetlook, ripping, wet hair/shoes issue is easy.

 

Anyway, while I'm awaiting a ban any minute here (and no, I would not mail this as a story to CNN, though they would probably be interested in the thread) I just want to know why the streets and girls next door are so different than the wetlook output. Once again (I think all I'm righting is disclaimers) I don't expect models of color from producers based in Alaska, Wyoming, rural Indiana, Poland, the Ukraine or Russia. I expect (as in actually all other places) a representation of the population.

 

But I am not as naive as you many (even you?) seem to think. I know the differences and local population types. I never labeled A Splash of Glamour as racist. Your site is basically art. I meant the sites which started as legends but now basically produce typical sets/videos each weak.

 

I really can't say more, but I'm shocked if nobody sees which sites I'm talking about. Especially the European LEGEND, for a very diverse country, which has not showed us EVEN ONE girl of color among hundreds, or now thousands probably of sets...

In reply to Message (71575.4.1.1) Note Re:Wow, this news is big! So it’s the producers, not the community

By EdR - asplashofglamour@gmail.com uu Sat 14/10/17 20:38:21 GMT

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"…..Many of the big ones, our legends, seem very racist. Yet don’t even have the guts to join the discussion. Not cool…"

 

I'm willing to join the discussion, but I'm not willing to be accused of racism. My body of work does not suggest racism and I don't view people in terms of black, white, blue, green, yellow, brown or whatever. I don't spend time looking up census statistics so I can make sure I have a proportionate representation of our population. The current political narrative forces all of us to see people and do things and think in ways we didn't need to. In the grand scheme we are all "Americans" (If you live here) and we all bleed the same color of red. But some here want to split us apart and identify us as "hyphenated Americans" Anotherwords we are put into groups, and in this case, based on skin color we might be "African-Americans, Asian-Americans, Hispanic-American, or whatever. I don't think in those terms. In this country, I see all of us as being "American" no matter the color of your skin…. I don't like to talk politics here, this isn't the place for it. All I'm here to do is enjoy a fantasy and run a business to create images.

 

Yes, I admit, there aren't very many black models who have appeared on "A Splash of Glamour",It's not because I am racist or lack desire, I just haven't found black models in my area willing to work with us. -Not that I'm specifically looking for black models, or white models. I'm looking for any model. I'm not thinking, 'Hey, I need a black model or a brown model, or a whatever" (Thats actually racist thinking) I work with whomever accepts the pay. If they happen to be black, white or whatever, it's irrelevant to me. But, as an FYI of the recent black girls I had asked, to do WAM or wetlook, we've been turned down. Probably more so among black models than all other "groups" combined. I don't know why that is, in this area. But we haven't found them here.

 

In my point of view, beauty comes in all colors shapes, sizes and ages. I don't go out of my way to fill in every niche. All I try to do is find these wonderful women who are willing to get totally wet while wearing clothing, so that I can take photos or videos of them. Their age, weight, skin color, tattoos, whatever means nothing to me. And as it turns out, many are now personal friends.

 

EdR

 

 

 

In reply to Message (71575.4.1) Exclamation Wow, this news is big! So it’s the producers, not the community

By MikeyABQ - eu Sat 14/10/17 15:00:25 GMT

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It seems to show that the wetlook community does not actually like a so white output of photos. Plus all the voices of people who mis more variety. So I guess it’s not the whole community, but the producers have a problem. But than producers are really ignoring this thread... so that is also bad. I was wondering if one of the quite big group from very racially mixed countries but who produces exclusively white content will speak up. Seems nobody wants to. Very sad indead.

 

It seems the WetClothingGirls thingy (which seems to be quite unwelcome here) is actually the only producer who truly has models representing the diversity of their country. Many of the big ones, our legends, seem very racist. Yet don’t even have the guts to join the discussion. Not cool...

In reply to Message (71575.4) Talking from 'this one dude, from the UK'

By alias jollywetfellow - sx Sat 14/10/17 13:00:28 GMT

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Ever since I started posting candid beach pics, I have regularly looked through the view counts, looking for trends in what people look at most (mainly out of interest, though I guess also to know what to focus my 'camera' on in future to give pleasure to the greatest number of people).     I expected to find a bias in favour of white women, also in favour of jeans, but to my surprise I have never seen much evidence of either.     There is a noticeable - albeit small - bias against non-western clothing; pics where the main subjects are wearing full salwar kameez or burkas seem to be slightly less popular, but that is hardly surprising and not, in my view, evidence of racism as such.    And, to confuse all such analysis, the pic which has had the most views of all, B76 https://www.flickr.com/photos/105715846@N06/16325886177/in/dateposted-public/ is of a black girl, a white girl and a desi girl playing together in the water!    And the large number of views (2.4 million so far, for a set of amateurish, mostly low quality smartphone pics which are surely not going to interest non-wetlookers) does suggest that these view counts represent a large proportion of 'the wetlook community'.

 

But I think Franky and AnthonyX are right - it is not 'racist' to be turned on more by one type of woman than another, any more than it is 'wetist' to be turned on by women who are wet.     And it is right, too, to say that it depends on one's own experience.    I don't think people find a picture, in itself, sexy; to be turned on by a picture you need to be able to imagine the real, living, breathing, pheromone-emitting woman which the picture portrays.    If you have rarely or never encountered a real, living, breathing, pheromone-emitting black or Asian woman, you are unlikely to be turned on by a picture of one.    

 

And it takes some time to get used to the idea of other races as sexy - just after leaving school I had a one-week temporary job in which one of the other temporary staff was a black girl of my own age from London; in hindsight I know that I found her madly sexy and that she really fancied me, but I had spent my entire life up until then in small-town Scotland and hardly ever seen a black or Asian person except in books, and just couldn't get my head round being sexually attracted to this alien-seeming being, so nothing happened - one of the greatest regrets of my life.....

 

   

In reply to Message (71575) Question Is the wetlook community racist? 99,9 percent models are white...

By MikeyABQ - us Fri 13/10/17 21:33:42 GMT

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OK, this question will not go down well. I've raised it in the ripping discussion, but nobody would touch it. But it bothers me... and I hope the mods will not delete this

 

I know the wetlook community is mainly based in the US and Europe and people often like to see the girl next door type, but...

 

Statistically white dudes also like the exotic beauties. Yet it seems not to be the case in the wetlook community. Or is it only among wetlook producers?

 

I'm going straight into a mine field here, as I will not name names (except positive or justified examples), but actually it's easy to see who is generally NOT representing their countries population...

 

I fully understand that producers from the Ukraine and Russia (both model and candid) don't really have a choice in skin color, though there are still some (mainly Asian) models present

 

WetRom is also doing a good job in getting a bit darker skin toned girls in (at least one of his stars must have Roma (gypsy) blood in her), so no discrimination there.

 

However things get iffy when we go further west and to North America.

 

I mean kudos to Erik Elsas, he seems to be trying for some diversity.

 

But as for most producers, from countries which are only say 60-70 percent white, well it seems they represented are whiter than Poland or Lithuania, as virtually all models seem to be white Caucasian.

 

Why is that? I mean I know there were some sites dedicated to black (or other women of color) wetlook, but that was a long time ago. Some sites dedicated to Asian models/candids still exist (as do some Asian by origin sites), but also few.

 

So I wonder, will you discuss a more serious topic? It's between shoes or no shoes, summer or winter clothing, ripping or no ripping, messy or no messy here. But are you up for a more serious discussion?

 

The question is are many well known wetlook producers racist? Or the wetlook public for some reason? Because this fetish seems to be 99.9% about white girls.

Yet the whole industry in the West is definitely not. Even Tainster/AllWam has more diversity despite being based in Czechia.

 

And no, I don't want to stir controversy. I just like seeing Asian and darker skinned women in wetlook. I mean I like the more Western dress type, as in some tropical countries, they just wear to little clothes, but you know, there is this one dude, from the UK, who posts candids from English beaches. Non-white girls (dressed in western ways) seem to be the majority there... And this is practically the only consistent source for such photos.

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