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Subject: None Re:Love this post...

Date: Sun 15/10/17 13:50:03 GMT

Name: EdR uu

Email: asplashofglamour@gmail.com

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Mikey,……."But anyway, thanks for this post. This is the discussion I wanted. But sadly while I know Chicago first hand, I also know other places, and the producer "mentioned" above cannot state this, as in his area, it's a bit different than in Chicago :)"

 

I don't know Chicago first hand….can't tell you the best places to eat, or the coolest places to hang, but I've been there numerous times. And I know theres a large black population there. I've also been to NYC, LA, Las Vegas, Atlanta, Miami…In a former life, I traveled to every state for about 10 yrs. One of the things you probably know as a Chicagoan is during the winter months, the airlines have great fairs to Florida, (where we live) and you'll see those ads on almost every billboard in and around town. It's not just Chicago, The cheep snow bird fairs are also offered in Boston, New York, Philly, almost every north east city. Whenever we could, we would try to bring down models to work with us from other states and we take advantage of the cheap air fairs. Further, we aren't too terribly far from Atlanta. It's drivable by car. In my personal and humble opinion, I think that some of the most attractive black women live in Atlanta and yet, no matter where we've looked in the past, it seems as though black models turn us down more often than all other races of women combined. Believe me, we have tried and we had a couple of black models who have appeared on our site, but sadly thats it, so far. (And I still remain on the hunt)

 

Sincerely

EdR

In reply to Message (71575.4.1.1.1.1) None Love this post...

By MikeyABQ - us Sun 15/10/17 00:46:10 GMT

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though it proves me wrong in a way. It actually asks important questions. I actually grew up in Muncie, IN than moved to Indianapolis and Chicago. Than to the land of my ancestor from one side (Poland) than to the Western US (Albuquerque and Phoenix) and Poland back again. Along the way many other places in the US/EU for 3-8 months. So I've seen many aspects and the political views some accuse me of (I vote as a dual citizen in US and Polish elections) are actually probably quite wrong. I just think that in a field where you mainly just see girl-next-door-models photographed/videotaped, well, they should look like the girls next door we see. I'm not really one of those people who sees racism in America in everything. I most often am against weird political correctness and Buzzfeed's agenda...

 

But the wetlook community (producer output and the way I'm roasted now) actually beats all. It's so pure white and hate in this thread we should use a wet KKK flag or swastika as a logo. Just for asking a question. And this community is very unforgiving in some aspects, but when it comes to the all white models it's actually all cool.

 

However, I really don't see producers from the US as the ones who made me question if the community or producers are racist. The number one warning single was from the EU (as of 2017). An "all white" producer from a country which is now barely 60-70 percent white and has been for a long time. I just want to know why in such cases. As viewership/purchases has been proven to be BS in this case. Sadly this producer does not have the guts to speak up (or others like him), yet a lot of minions are roasting me nicely...

 

But anyway, thanks for this post. This is the discussion I wanted. But sadly while I know Chicago first hand, I also know other places, and the producer "mentioned" above cannot state this, as in his area, it's a bit different than in Chicago :)

In reply to Message (71575.4.1.1.1) Talking Not so simple, many possible contributing factors

By RoscoeBC - us Sun 15/10/17 00:20:27 GMT

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I think there are a lot of variables involved in the black to white ratio of wetlook models.  To add a thought regarding Ed's experience being turned down when offering shoots to black models, are as many black models comfortable in the water as white models?  Go ahead and call me racist if you want, but I think the statistics would back me up.  Where I grew up, the Chicago area, many of my black friends didn't know how to swim and tended to avoid the water.  I believe the statistical reality is (at least in the Chicago area) that white kids are more likely to grow up with ready access to swimming pools, tennis courts and golf courses, black kids, basketball courts and football fields.  How many black Olympic swimmers do you see?  Golfers?  Tennis players?  But look at basketball and football.  Then there's the Canadians in hockey.  Sure racism in America alters the opportunities that kids of different races have, and therefore what they feel comfortable doing.  But I think calling producers racist without knowing more about why they use the models they use is unfair, maybe even racist in itself.

 

Are there any black wetlook producers?  What are the black vs. white statistics regarding access to, and use of high speed Internet?  For that matter, are there cultural differences in having fetishes?  What do we know about the customer base?

In reply to Message (71575.4.1.1) Note Re:Wow, this news is big! So it’s the producers, not the community

By EdR - asplashofglamour@gmail.com uu Sat 14/10/17 20:38:21 GMT

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"…..Many of the big ones, our legends, seem very racist. Yet don’t even have the guts to join the discussion. Not cool…"

 

I'm willing to join the discussion, but I'm not willing to be accused of racism. My body of work does not suggest racism and I don't view people in terms of black, white, blue, green, yellow, brown or whatever. I don't spend time looking up census statistics so I can make sure I have a proportionate representation of our population. The current political narrative forces all of us to see people and do things and think in ways we didn't need to. In the grand scheme we are all "Americans" (If you live here) and we all bleed the same color of red. But some here want to split us apart and identify us as "hyphenated Americans" Anotherwords we are put into groups, and in this case, based on skin color we might be "African-Americans, Asian-Americans, Hispanic-American, or whatever. I don't think in those terms. In this country, I see all of us as being "American" no matter the color of your skin…. I don't like to talk politics here, this isn't the place for it. All I'm here to do is enjoy a fantasy and run a business to create images.

 

Yes, I admit, there aren't very many black models who have appeared on "A Splash of Glamour",It's not because I am racist or lack desire, I just haven't found black models in my area willing to work with us. -Not that I'm specifically looking for black models, or white models. I'm looking for any model. I'm not thinking, 'Hey, I need a black model or a brown model, or a whatever" (Thats actually racist thinking) I work with whomever accepts the pay. If they happen to be black, white or whatever, it's irrelevant to me. But, as an FYI of the recent black girls I had asked, to do WAM or wetlook, we've been turned down. Probably more so among black models than all other "groups" combined. I don't know why that is, in this area. But we haven't found them here.

 

In my point of view, beauty comes in all colors shapes, sizes and ages. I don't go out of my way to fill in every niche. All I try to do is find these wonderful women who are willing to get totally wet while wearing clothing, so that I can take photos or videos of them. Their age, weight, skin color, tattoos, whatever means nothing to me. And as it turns out, many are now personal friends.

 

EdR

 

 

 

In reply to Message (71575.4.1) Exclamation Wow, this news is big! So it’s the producers, not the community

By MikeyABQ - eu Sat 14/10/17 15:00:25 GMT

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It seems to show that the wetlook community does not actually like a so white output of photos. Plus all the voices of people who mis more variety. So I guess it’s not the whole community, but the producers have a problem. But than producers are really ignoring this thread... so that is also bad. I was wondering if one of the quite big group from very racially mixed countries but who produces exclusively white content will speak up. Seems nobody wants to. Very sad indead.

 

It seems the WetClothingGirls thingy (which seems to be quite unwelcome here) is actually the only producer who truly has models representing the diversity of their country. Many of the big ones, our legends, seem very racist. Yet don’t even have the guts to join the discussion. Not cool...

In reply to Message (71575.4) Talking from 'this one dude, from the UK'

By alias jollywetfellow - sx Sat 14/10/17 13:00:28 GMT

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Ever since I started posting candid beach pics, I have regularly looked through the view counts, looking for trends in what people look at most (mainly out of interest, though I guess also to know what to focus my 'camera' on in future to give pleasure to the greatest number of people).     I expected to find a bias in favour of white women, also in favour of jeans, but to my surprise I have never seen much evidence of either.     There is a noticeable - albeit small - bias against non-western clothing; pics where the main subjects are wearing full salwar kameez or burkas seem to be slightly less popular, but that is hardly surprising and not, in my view, evidence of racism as such.    And, to confuse all such analysis, the pic which has had the most views of all, B76 https://www.flickr.com/photos/105715846@N06/16325886177/in/dateposted-public/ is of a black girl, a white girl and a desi girl playing together in the water!    And the large number of views (2.4 million so far, for a set of amateurish, mostly low quality smartphone pics which are surely not going to interest non-wetlookers) does suggest that these view counts represent a large proportion of 'the wetlook community'.

 

But I think Franky and AnthonyX are right - it is not 'racist' to be turned on more by one type of woman than another, any more than it is 'wetist' to be turned on by women who are wet.     And it is right, too, to say that it depends on one's own experience.    I don't think people find a picture, in itself, sexy; to be turned on by a picture you need to be able to imagine the real, living, breathing, pheromone-emitting woman which the picture portrays.    If you have rarely or never encountered a real, living, breathing, pheromone-emitting black or Asian woman, you are unlikely to be turned on by a picture of one.    

 

And it takes some time to get used to the idea of other races as sexy - just after leaving school I had a one-week temporary job in which one of the other temporary staff was a black girl of my own age from London; in hindsight I know that I found her madly sexy and that she really fancied me, but I had spent my entire life up until then in small-town Scotland and hardly ever seen a black or Asian person except in books, and just couldn't get my head round being sexually attracted to this alien-seeming being, so nothing happened - one of the greatest regrets of my life.....

 

   

In reply to Message (71575) Question Is the wetlook community racist? 99,9 percent models are white...

By MikeyABQ - us Fri 13/10/17 21:33:42 GMT

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OK, this question will not go down well. I've raised it in the ripping discussion, but nobody would touch it. But it bothers me... and I hope the mods will not delete this

 

I know the wetlook community is mainly based in the US and Europe and people often like to see the girl next door type, but...

 

Statistically white dudes also like the exotic beauties. Yet it seems not to be the case in the wetlook community. Or is it only among wetlook producers?

 

I'm going straight into a mine field here, as I will not name names (except positive or justified examples), but actually it's easy to see who is generally NOT representing their countries population...

 

I fully understand that producers from the Ukraine and Russia (both model and candid) don't really have a choice in skin color, though there are still some (mainly Asian) models present

 

WetRom is also doing a good job in getting a bit darker skin toned girls in (at least one of his stars must have Roma (gypsy) blood in her), so no discrimination there.

 

However things get iffy when we go further west and to North America.

 

I mean kudos to Erik Elsas, he seems to be trying for some diversity.

 

But as for most producers, from countries which are only say 60-70 percent white, well it seems they represented are whiter than Poland or Lithuania, as virtually all models seem to be white Caucasian.

 

Why is that? I mean I know there were some sites dedicated to black (or other women of color) wetlook, but that was a long time ago. Some sites dedicated to Asian models/candids still exist (as do some Asian by origin sites), but also few.

 

So I wonder, will you discuss a more serious topic? It's between shoes or no shoes, summer or winter clothing, ripping or no ripping, messy or no messy here. But are you up for a more serious discussion?

 

The question is are many well known wetlook producers racist? Or the wetlook public for some reason? Because this fetish seems to be 99.9% about white girls.

Yet the whole industry in the West is definitely not. Even Tainster/AllWam has more diversity despite being based in Czechia.

 

And no, I don't want to stir controversy. I just like seeing Asian and darker skinned women in wetlook. I mean I like the more Western dress type, as in some tropical countries, they just wear to little clothes, but you know, there is this one dude, from the UK, who posts candids from English beaches. Non-white girls (dressed in western ways) seem to be the majority there... And this is practically the only consistent source for such photos.

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