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Message # 6947.1.1.2.1.1

Subject: Info I agree,sound is a problem...

Date: Sun 16/11/03 06:48:22 GMT

Name: Wet Brian gb

Email: bdann0875@rootesgroup.fslife.co.uk

Website: www.apex-wetlook.co.uk

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...Maybe not so much with my candid filming,but I've recently started doing a monthly promo video for my local night club...The first one was relatively easy cos I edited it the same as I do my candids,by dropping the crap stuff and splicing the audio and video at the same time...Now they want a continuous sound track from the club so it can be played in the pub next door,which is fine UNTIll one piece of video has someone talking to camera,and to get the lipsync right is a nightmare! Unfazed

BUT the advantage of all this nightclub work will HOPEFULLY pay off in the wetlook world soon! Wink Smile

Brian

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By Kev - kev.styx@ntlworld.com gb Sun 16/11/03 04:45:09 GMT

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Often the music can enhance the mood of the movie I try to pick music that compliments the scene.

However, we producers also have to use royality free music- so we get a bit limited on what we can use. The music that goes with the Styx movies is remixed and extended, which also takes several hours of work. Few royalty free tracks extend to the 20 minutes of a movie so lots of work has to be done on this.

Anthony's suggestion is one I have tried in the past- by producing "wild tracks" and then dubbing them in. I've had mixed success with this.

 

I think WAm is very different to "normal" movie production and many people do not realise how you have to change techinques.

For a start WAM is "irreversable" for example, if a model fluffs the initial wetting or gunging it's very difficult to get her dried off or cleaned up for a retake- so a lot of your material has to be shot in a single take. Just look at some of the "bloopers" you see on TV programmes- the same thing happens with WAM- but you can't start again. It's the same with the audio if a girls fluffs her lines whilst she's getting soaked- how do you retake that?

Also the sound of water, gunge, etc is very distinction- if you sample in a piece of wildtrack or sound sampled from a good piece of footage then the sound doesn't match the action- it's very jarring when you see it in action. Imagine a scene where girls lifts herself out of the pool and you can hear the water running off her and dripping into the pool again- then someone knocks over a lighting stand, coughs, or a mobile phone goes off. You can retake and capture some clean sound, but will the 6 drips you record in the audio match the 6 drips you see on the movie- when you put the two together it looks really strange.

 

On the updside we have just invested in some highly directional shotgun microphones which should enable us to get cleaner sound on future shoots.

 

Finally, on the outerwear- as I said before if enough people want it then we'll produce it. That's what we do :)

 

However we don't want to produce material to satisfy 4 or 5 people and leave several hundred unsatisfied- if it's a minority interest it would play a minority role in what we produce. It could be argued that if lots of people were interested then a site dedicated to this genre would be be up and running by now

In reply to Message (6947.1.1.2) Hello Re: I like the music,even tho it's not country.... :(

By WETINRED - stekz@cableone.net us Sun 16/11/03 03:23:06 GMT

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...I think it adds to the sexuality of the video Wink Smile If u have ever seen the video clips from the assorted sites of Euromax, you'd beg for music as not only do u get the camera lights flashing and clicking, u get to hear phones ringing things being dropped, people going in and out of doors, plus, and for a lot of ppl u cant understand the language.

My opinion     Peace Man

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By Kev - kev.styx@ntlworld.com gb Sun 16/11/03 01:26:53 GMT

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Thanks for your comments and contructive criticism.

 

I agree that the the splashing of the water and the girls talking would be better.

 

However there are several reasons why we do not do it very often.

 

As any movie producer will tell you, audio editing is far more difficult that editing the visual clips of the movie. If it takes 8 hours to edit the visuals- it would take another 16 hours to edit the audio. You would be amazed at how much extraneous noise is picked up during shooting- people coughing, telephones ringing, wind noise, traffic passing by....

 

The girls we use are models, not actresses, occasionally we find ones who can talk during a movie, but most of the time they do not have this ability. When we do ask them to act a scene it is usually awful and it takes a long time to rehearse them so they learn their lines. Even professional actresses would find it difficult to "ad lib" through a 20 minute wetlook scene.

 

Because we try to use new models rather than relying on the same ones over and over again- something we think people want to see- this means few of the girls are experienced at doing wetlook and need directing during the movies. So during the movie there is a lot of talking from us- which I'm sure you do not want to hear.

 

In view of the huge amount of material that we produce- removing the sound and putting on music is the lesser of two evils. The alternative is to put less material on the site as we don't have time to edit the sound in order to keep up the level of updates we produce.

 

On the subject of outdoor wear, we put on a set of Nikki in a raincoat a few weeks ago- we had little or no positive feedback from that. In addition we can check which photsets (and even individual pictures) are the most popular on the site- the overcoat sequence didn't exactly inspire us to shoot more of the same- at least not too frequently

 

We are always willing to try new things in response to ideas from the members- any of them will tell you that- but if it's an area of wetlook that has only a tiny amount of support it's something that we can only afford to do occasionally otherwise the majority of the members get bored.

 

If we put a shot together of a girl wearing a suit, for example, then give her a coat to wear over it and then proceed with the shoot, then by the time the coat is wet then the suit beneath is wet too- thus you have missed out on the wetting of the suit (or whatever else she is wearing) not sure how many people would accept this- most people seem to be more interested in seeing the clothes beneath getting wet than the coat- however we're willing to take contrary views from members.

 

 

Whilst we welcome comments on this forum about the site- it might be best if this was openned out within the Styx forum- then we know that we are getting member's viewpoints, plus many people would comment privately rather than in the full glare of this open forum.

 

As we have said all along, Styxwetworld is not so much a paysite, more of a club for likeminded people. Within the constraints we have- both Graham and I only do this in our spare time, we don't have unlimited cash, or technical contraints- then we do our upmost to meet the requests from the members. All we need is some consenus of what people want to see and we will produce it- if enough people request it then we will produce it, it's that simple.

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By Mr wetlook - nl Sun 16/11/03 00:38:42 GMT

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It's true video's whithout music are much better

I like to hear the water and voices of the girls.

Is it possible to make shoots with winterjackets,snowboots

and jeans.

 

Big fan of your website

 

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By Anonymous - uu Sun 16/11/03 00:25:42 GMT

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I would like to thank you for an excellent website. The quality of the videos are exceptional and I am looking forward to see what is comming in the future.

However I have some requests for you. Please put sone more clothes on you lovely models. Maybe some outerwear like jackets and coats? Maybe they can take some of it off during the session so that they will end up in the same amount clothing as they start in today?

And plese drop the music during the video! It is so much more sexier to hear the girls talk and all the splashing of the water, as we can on some of the videos.

Do not take this as critisism, it is just some humble requests from a satisfied customer who prefers to be anonymous.

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