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Subject: Hello Re: What direction? Please respond!

Date: Wed 29/10/03 10:42:58 GMT

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While I agree with the general sentiments of what everybody is saying here...I should put out that everybody appears to be misquoting what Nigel's rule states...because the difference in semantics can have broadreaching effects. Nigel does not say "no porn" as Ray stated...he said no "hardcore" porn...and by omitting that word HARDCORE in your debate you all could be throwing the baby out with the bath water.

 

FYI..according to Websters dictionary, the definition of porn is...

 

1 : the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement

 

2 : material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement

 

3 : the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction <the pornography of violence>

 

As you can all see...the definition of the word porn without hardcore in front it...makes no reference to body parts or specific sexual acts...it mere defines porn as media or acts that are intended to cause sexual excitement....and therefore none of you who consider yourself to be high brow  because you do not feature nudity, are exempt from that definition either. The bottom line is...what is the media being used for...and we all know the answer to that. Folks who say that the fully clothed wetlook is not being used for sexual stimulation and excitement....are just plain not being honest with themselves.

 

FYI...the word "porn" has VERY differing interprations...depending on what part of the world or county or state you live in. I have done video shoots in many parts of West and Central Florida which are "bible belt country"...and in that part of Florida they consider a girl wearing a thong bikini at a waterpark to be "pornographic" too (and indeed...many waterparks do have notices and ban girls from wearing thongs). I have also done fully clothed (no nudity) video shoots on the beaches right where Ray and Julie live...and we have been kicked off the beaches by Park Rangers and police...who stated we were engaged in a "pornographic photo shoot"...when we were doing nothing different to the pics Ray and Julie do...only that some bozo with a cellphone saw us on the beach..and called the cops on us cos he said what we were doing looked pornographic to him(in his opinion).

 

Whether you use Websters definition or Supreme Court rulings...they will always differ. Or...you can just paint a broad brush as Paypal did this year with their new terms of use rules...cos they basically banned what they deemed as porn...and what they told me (over the phone) was that...their definition of porn is...any website that has a "you must be 18 to enter" banner on it (give me a break).

 

The debate here should really just be about "hardcore porn"...not just plain porn...cos I submit to you..that even those non nude fully clothed wetlook sites you all love...those sites are deliberately intended to cause you sexual excitement...and thereby they are porn too...nobody here can claim to be exempt. If your materials excite and arouse people...then you are producing porn too....

 

The only non porn links to pics on this forum are those like webshots and other general magazines or general internet pics...cos those folks never intended their pics to be used for the purposes that you all are using them for on this for. None of the wetlook producers cam claim to be exempt...cos we all produce pics purposely to tease and sexually excite the wet fans.

 

I agree with what you all are saying in relation to HARDCORE porn...and thats where the debate should be.

 

FYI....my assessment of the current wetlook producers scene is like this....about 5% of wetlook producers are producing hardcore wetlook porn (watersports, xxx wet sex etc) and the other 95% are just regular wet clothing fetish sites (and I don't make any distinction between the R rated erotica wetlook producers and the G rated fully clothed producers...cos it is all the same..a fetish is a fetish is a fetish...and folks ae still getting the same jollies from G rated producers as they are from R rated producers). 5% maybe hardcore porn wetlook folks, but the other 95% are just regular wetlook fetish sites...and one could argue that ALL of us in that 95% group are causing sexual excitement and we could be deemed as "porn" too.

 

What you should continue to debate and pursue are HARDCORE porn links...which is what Nigel's rule stated....not just plain porn...cos porn would, I would argue, include every single wetlook producer who uses this forum.

 

Basically...if you cause sexual excitement...then you are creating porn too....and if you are not creating sexual excitement....then whats the point of living...ha ha...why are you here on this forum. Take up a cleaner hobby like train spotting or something.

 

Ray makes a very good point about etiquette though. The thoughtful producers and posters are always careful about what links they post. Those folks who post inappropriate links fully deserve to be flamed...cos they are basically ignoramuses who are spamming you all. These are inconsiderate people who have not taken the time to study what the wetlook genre is all about, and to observe Nigel's rules...they merely do pidgeon drops on you all...i.e. fly in...drop !@#$ and fly out again....so they deserve to be shot down.

 

Just be careful not to use the word porn too vaguely or loosely...cos that can apply to almost every wetlook producer there is...just be more specific as Nigel was in his rules..and target the word "hardcore porn"...cos that basically means an emphasis on body parts and sex acts...not on clothing, which is what it should be.

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By ray - ray_diaz1@yahoo.com us Wed 29/10/03 02:16:58 GMT

Website: www.wetfreespirit.org


I wonder what direction the folks that visit this forum want?  Rule number 6 clearly states "no porn"  but this forum is inundated with porn site links now.  The porn sites are using the members here to pump more visitors and presumably cash into their porn web sites. The most recent poster has on her front page....and I quote

 

"full on XXX Hardcore Pictures and Videos including: Girl/Girl,Girl/Guy/Girl,Guy/Girl/Guy,Group Sex,Blowjobs

Facials,Anal Play,Masturbation (with and without toys)

And much, much more …….

In fact, there’s not much I won’t do!!!  Come see for yourself"

 

 

Is this the direction you want this forum to go?  I personally want to see wetlook, not porn.  I am posting some wetlook pictures below to further emphasize my point.  These pictures are what wetlook on this forum use to be about or what I think it use to be about.

 

I would suggest if these people are into wetlook and want to post wetlook pictures, then separate them from the porn and offer links to those pages without pushing the porn.  

 

Julie and I are not stupid and we know the sexual connection with wetlook, but this forum seems to be turning into a porn forum with wetlook as a hook. We already have UMD.NET as a ready source of porn links, do we really need to have this forum duplicate that?

 

So hopefully there will be some good replies to my question...

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