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Message # 6218.1.2.1.1.1.1

Subject: Re: More Info...

Date: Sun 05/10/03 00:25:24 GMT

Name: Kev

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In order for a p2p to work it needs co-operation and sharing resources by like minded people. Otherwise there just isn't the speed/capacity to share clips en masse.

However, as many producers point out- only a tiny proportion of the community make any effort whatsoever. If anyone posts a free clip/photos you get two or three thousand downloads and about 5 people who actually provide any feedback or response.

When we password protected a clip on styxfreeworld a few weeks back the number of downloads dropped from 3,000 to around 400. Which proves around 90% of the community can't be bothered to do anything. They certainly wouldn't go to the trouble of installing new software when they can't be bothered to apply for a password for a clip. Just look at the fuss created when MK used his "game" for people to download stuff.

So that's really answered your question- so few people want to go to any trouble, they want to sit back and just leech everything they can. "If it takes more than a mouseclick then it ain't worth bothering with..." is the motto

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By w@mboy - Sat 04/10/03 21:50:03 GMT

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You can limit your number of 'slots' or how many people can download off you at any one time, you can choose to share no files as well if you just want to leech. You can also limit the outgoing bandwidth to just a small part of your connection.

As for there being hundreds of downloads, if there are 30 people on the hub it is considered busy, most of the time you just have to use the hammer tool for a while to get a connection to someone and then you can do your download at a reasonable speed.

w@mboy

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Why don't wetlook people share clips on the DC hub?

By Vixenwitch - Sat 04/10/03 11:45:28 GMT

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TBH, with most of the peer-to-peer systems, you can get spyware-free versions of the clients, and you can also (usually) rate-limit the outbound traffic, so you can restrict the max amount of your total bandwidth they will use. Of course this slows things down even more for the people downloading but it stops the systems overoading your local network, and any serious downloader will just leave the d/l running for as long as it takes to complete.

Napster had controls for limiting the max number of simltaneous uploads (from you to remote users), though I don't remember if you could specify the max outbound bandwith it would use, but KaZaA has controls for both, so you can say "you can have 50k and that's it", and then no matter how many simltaneous uploads you allow, all of them together have to share that 50k and no more.

Agree about the risks though, there have been some interesting discussions about this on various security forums. As most p-2-p users are running the same few clients, if there are any vulnerabilities in one of them, then a good hacker or virus writer could infect millions of machines more or less at once.

Think what happened when the MS Win2k RPC exploit was created - the Blaster worm was everywhere in a matter of hours. Now imagine what will happen if a remotely exploitable vulnerability was to be found in one of the major p-2-p clients. Scary stuff!

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Re: Re: Re: Why don't wetlook people share clips on the DC hub?

By MK - wamtec@compuserve.com Sat 04/10/03 08:25:50 GMT

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Thanks Kev...thats what I thought. When Napster was around my wife was having so many incoming folks sharing MP3s with her that it literally brought my home network to it's knees and everything came to crawl....it basically turns your highspeed cable modem service into something slower than dial up, and thats not even considering all the security ramifications of folks breaking into your pc and or leaving digital graffiti or spyware or viruses on your pc.

Sadly....these peer to peer services are not safe, and are merely an 800 pound gorilla that not only sits on your pc and stops you from doing your daily work...it can also crap all over you as well...ha ha

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Re: Re: Why don't wetlook people share clips on the DC hub?

By Kev - kev.styx@ntlworld.com Sat 04/10/03 08:13:34 GMT

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It looks like it uses the hosts bandwidth, which would mean slowing your own browsing down to a crawl if people are downloading from you.

These things can be agonisingly slow- a popular clip can mean 100 downloads at any one time. The download will take place at the upload speed of the host (usually 50% of his download speed) and this capacity is split between all the users.

So someone with an average broadband connection of 512 kb per second will have an upload of 256 kb per second. If only 10 people want to download the clip that means they will each only get 25kb per second, which is around 3 kilobytes per second- much slower than a dial up connection to a proper server. A reasonable sized stills picture would take over a minute to download- a popular movie clip could take hours and hours.

As all webmasters know, there are some pretty mean people out there (the average forum visitor doesn't realise) who take great delight in screwing things up for everyone- we've even had trolls and trouble makers on this forum.

Throwing your computer open to these people would be crazy!

Vistors to the forum might be complacent in thinking that the wetlook community only extends to about 50 to 100 people who seem to post on this forum- but there are several thousand who you never see or hear of- but who devour any free material like a plague of locusts! A small number within this group are malicious and would love to create havoc witin this community- I certainly wouldn't allow access to my computer to some of these people.

Judging by the quantity of the hacking, cracking, DOS attacks we get plus the volume of virus contaminated emails that come through- it would be a dangerous route to follow unless you were a real expert in computing.

At the end of the day, the company who are putting this together are providing nothing- they use other peoples material, other peoples computers and other peoples bandwidth and then "piggyback" advertising onto what you download to provide an income for themselves.

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Re: Why don't wetlook people share clips on the DC hub?

By MK - wamtec@compuserve.com Sat 04/10/03 06:53:10 GMT

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Interesting....tell us some more about how this works. Is this just another peer to peer file sharing system like Kazaa is...i.e. what pc or server or bandwidth are these clips on....the poster...or the host..and who is the host.

FYI...I am willing to post my free video clips to somebody elses server for all to see....but I will not allow my pc to be accessed, cos I cannot afford to have my pc being hacked or bogged down all the time with incoming traffic (as was the case when Napster was around and everybody shared music file...my wife was so active on Napster that our home pc was totally bogged down all the time with incoming callers grabbing files from us).

I don't trust many of these services...what with the spyware that many of them put on your pc, and with so many viruses these days...I am not going to allow folks to access any of the 4 pcs on my home network....but I am perfectly willing to post my stuff to somebody elses server...and if they have the bandwidth...thats fine...just so long as this does not impact my connectivity.

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Why don't wetlook people share clips on the DC hub?

By w@mboy - Fri 03/10/03 22:26:27 GMT

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People on the UMD share their free clips on the direct connect hub, which is essentially KaZaA for WAM. At the moment it is mostly messy clips but there are quite a lot of wetlook clips available, like the free clips MK gives us. To use the DC hub, go to http://www.neo-modus.com/ and download the Direct Connect client (this isn't the only one available by the way). When you have installed it, run the program and connect to torg.lockmist.com:20000 which is the WAM hub, it's pretty simple to use and you should be able to find some of the free wetlook clips you have missed.

By the way, I am in no way condoning the sharing of non-free media via this hub, I am just informing you people who don't use the UMD that the hub exists and its a free way to share clips without having to worry about bandwidth.

w@mboy

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