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Message # 58198.3.1.1.1.1

Subject: None Re:my 2 cents

Date: Mon 17/06/13 13:39:16 GMT

Name: GeorgeSK uu

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I see no problem with that if it is clearly labeled as classic. But I don't like it if somebody is starting up a website that sells stuff pretending it to be new, especially if he ALREADY has an archive site selling classic stuff, so your argument of old sets disappearing is not valid in this case.

 

I would like to point to the excellent business model of Erik Elsas or Leonmoomin, who have premium membership sites alongside an archive download store, which is a more honest attitude than just registering a new domain with a similar name (wet-fashion-fun and wetlook-fun) and put the same old stuff up again and again. I know Jurgen's new site is like a remastered release of a classic album - but how many people will buy the same album just because it has been remastered, if they already have the original classic CD, or even vinyl?

 

It is interesting that when Wetlookpo attemped something similar several years ago - recycling old sets - there was a big outcry in the wetlook community, almost a boycott, focing the webmaster to shoot new stuff. Just search in this forum for those threads. And when I point something similar out this time, nobody understands. Never mind.

In reply to Message (58198.3.1.1.1) Info my 2 cents

By Phoenix_Mike - us Mon 17/06/13 12:49:59 GMT

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I'm not sure what the problem is George. New wetlookers come "of age" or find the presence of wetlook every day. Also people lose older material. All these people may want to download the older stuff. Many sites just make older material disappear or only re-upload some stuff. How many times has this resulted in people asking for a particular update or whining about the loss. Juergen's site is clearly labeled, the quality is always shown. You are not tricked into thinking it's HD. So what is wrong with it? The last update, under which this discussion is is Nadine - remember her first sets in I don't know 2003 (?) and her comeback sets in 2005 or so, when they were originally published? She was the biggest hit of the wetlook community for many months on both occasions, as well as many other photos from Juergen, why should people that were not around back then be denied the possibility to see these photos and videos? They are classics for our community. And as you still sell classic books and music, people can and should for the good of the community still sell classic photos. I really don't see what you think is wrong with this...
In reply to Message (58198.3.1.1) None Re:that's what people call "constructive critique"

By GeorgeSK - uu Mon 17/06/13 12:31:01 GMT

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Hi Jurgen,

 

Thanks for your quick reply.

 

You reacted exactly as I hoped you would not - as someone who is offended by mere suggestions and opnions and is a bit arrogant. I really didn't think my tone was anything but respectful because I like your pictures because you were one of the first, but the wetlook scene has progressed in the last several years (especially East European wetlook - Rusian, Romanian, Ukrainian) and the human nature is to discover new things and go forward.

 

Or there is another explanation for your reaction - I struck a nerve and there is some truth in my analysis and you don't wan to accept that even if you realise it yourself it is true.

 

You said you don't need discussions like this - OK, I will not bother you anymore but with your attitude you have totally alienated me and I won't even think of ever buying anything from you. I know it doesn't bother you but if others will read your arrogant reply, they, too, will think twice about buying stuff from you. They will vote with their wallets, I am sure.

 

This is my last entry in this discussion and I will leave this discussion to others, if there is anybody who wants to say anything.

 

Regards

 

George

In reply to Message (58198.3.1) Angry that's what people call "constructive critique"

By Jürgen - wetlook-fun@ws-net.net de Mon 17/06/13 11:31:19 GMT

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Hey George,

 

thanks for your message, but sorry, it doesn't sound like something that could motivate me to produce new videos. It is totally the opposite. I like to give you the answer to your 3 points and a generell view:

 

1. yes, but what's the problem about this? We love our old sets and our customers love them too. There are many people who have not seen this pictures and videos yet. The love to get it.

 

2. yes, but what's the problem about it? We don't write anything about HD at WetlookFun. If you like to watch HD videos only, you could go to our HD website or to the Wetlook Crawler or to any other wetlook site that offers HD videos. Our SD videos are of better quality than many of the new HD ones you can get on the market. Using a HD camera (like a mobile phone) does not make a good movie. WetlookFun offers classic pictures and videos. I don't see anything wrong about this.

 

3. yes, but what's problem about this? WetlookFun offers a new video or full photoset each 3-4 days Together with WetlookArt it is the cheapest deal you can get at the wetlook market. If you think that this is too expensive for you, please simply don't book a membership and go somewhere else. Then you will find out what it costs.

 

Sorry, you write that you "respect my work", but your mail sounds very different. If you think I'm "resting on my laurels", you may better go to one of the producers that offers you exact what you want. We have a lot of customers who love our new and our old pictures and videos. we offfer all time new material at WetFashionFun, all of the very best material at WetlookArt and a very high number of updates with full old sets at WetlookFun, everthing on a very low price level, especially in comparison to other producers.

 

No, we will not produce any 3D videos and no, we will not include our top quailty HD videos as "regular updates" on WetlookFun.

 

The quality of our HD movies (topmovie on WetFashionFun Video, DVD movies) is completely different than the video clips of "regular updates" of other websites. There are a lot of people who can see this difference and love our work, There are other people who are happy with the more easy productions of other websites too. That's fine. If you don't feel able to see the difference or if you don't need any top quality in the movies, that's fine too. Then you may better go to one of the other producers. They offer good work too.

 

Even if I would "rest on my laurels", I don't think that I have to ask you how I organice my live. It's simply my personal issue, if I like to offer people like you any more new productions in HD, 3D, with holograms or anything else. It' your issue if you dont want to buy anything of my work, That's fine and that's no problem.

 

And sorry, I don't need discussions like this.

 

Jürgen Koch

 

In reply to Message (58198.3) Exclamation A bit of constructive critique

By GeorgeSK - uu Mon 17/06/13 10:50:34 GMT

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Dear Jurgen,

 

I will try to be constructive so please don't be offended by the following suggestions. You are one of the original wetlook photographers who started it all back then, however:

 

1. This website - www.wetlook-fun.de - seems to be only a repackaging and recycling of old sets and videos from www.wet-fashion-fun.de from the last 10 years or so.

 

2. As a consequence of point 1. your website lacks HD quality videos as they were shot before the HD era.

 

3. You charge more or less the same membership fee on this website as for your other websites, as if the content was brand new, which it is not. You know, you can only sell the same stuff over and over again up to a certain point where this business model becomes unsustainable.

 

Don't get me wrong, I respect your work, I just have a feeling (and have had it for the last 2-3 years now) that maybe you are resting on your laurels and as a result there is a stagnation in your work.

 

My hope is that this will motivate you to renew your focus on producing new high quality stuff, including HD movies as part of the regular updates and not a separate site with separate membership fee. Other wetlook producers have been doing so for some time now. HD is a new standard, not a luxurious addon. If you want to have a separate added value website, maybe you could start shooting in 3D and would be a wetlook pioneer again.

 

Many thanks. Looking forward to your reply.

 

 

 

 

In reply to Message (58198) Pictures new update at Wetlook Fun

By Jürgen - wetlook-fun@ws-net.net de Sun 16/06/13 22:29:19 GMT

Website: www.wetlook-fun.de


 

The new car is here! What could be better than doing a fine car wash. By this action, Nadine can clean the car and herself too! The whole story ends under the garden shower, but first the water hose must be attached to the shower which becomes more difficult than originally expected!

 

www.wetlook-fun.de

 


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