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Subject: OK, I said from my perspective and it was a generalisation!

Date: Thu 28/08/03 23:43:23 GMT

Name: leonmoomin

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There are exceptions to the rule in both sexes!

But, where is the female's version of this forum, where is the multi-billion dollar porn industry for women? There are wet and naked images of men around, but, most of those are created for the gay market. There are images in such things as music vids and advertising and I am sure that loads of women like the images and get off on them, but women seem to like more real things, strippers etc! That would certainly indicate that reality, involving real people and real "emotions", are more fun for women!

I speak from my experience of lots of women's view points, not just mine! I also come from a country that is a lot more sexually open than the US (not as much as Germany or somewhere, but still more than the US)!

Men certainly find it a lot easier to get off on flat 2 dimensional images and films than women do, why?

"A)the world is full of female images and hardly any male ones, so thats an assumption and" Why?

Because there is a HUGE market!

"B) women are taught from an early age that we shouldnt express desire in the first place anyway. If women would be honest with themselves, the results would surprise you I think. I am very turned on visually and dont need emotional feelings to be part of that."

As are lots of women I know, vabrators sell very well but, I think what is in a women's head when using one is not he same type of visualisations that we have?

Let's face it, men are slaves to their dicks, women are free of such slavery and can operate much more efficiantly because of it!

leonmoomin

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Re: From my perspective!

By Annette - Thu 28/08/03 07:57:05 GMT

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A male is more visual than emotional than a woman when it comes to erousal.

*Sorry, I disagree. Men are seen to be more visual because A)the world is full of female images and hardly any male ones, so thats an assumption and B) women are taught from an early age that we shouldnt express desire in the first place anyway. If women would be honest with themselves, the results would surprise you I think. I am very turned on visually and dont need emotional feelings to be part of that.

Not trying to start anything, but just wanted to relay what is a female perspective on this subject.

For a man I think, visual and touch are very important. We need to have images or fantasies in our heads or reality to be aroused. This is a really tricky subject matter?

* Not tricky, just misunderstood. Visual and touch are important to both sexes. I think women get pegged as only emotional because thats what we are taught, and it may be easier for us to bring emotions into the equation because of that. :)

Someday guys, we will feel less shame about our desires as a whole. Some of us don't :) but most of us do, at least subconciously. Of course, this is a generalization and not representative of every single woman, just as there are exceptions to the rule on your side of the fence.

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From my perspective!

By leonmoomin - leonmoomin@ntlworld.com Wed 27/08/03 01:37:07 GMT

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Hello Eric (Marie is happy you found a place on your kitchen wall for her calander)

A male is more visual than emotional than a woman when it comes to erousal.

For a man I think, visual and touch are very important. We need to have images or fantasies in our heads or reality to be aroused. This is a really tricky subject matter?

To a certain extent, I think when a man and woman make love, the woman always becomes a sex toy. But, it has to be said, that as with normal sex (ie Non wetlook) the experience is made much more enjoyable when you share it with someone you care about. The difficulties are from the female perspective, the woman could come to the very often wrong conclusion that she is JUST a sex toy! This can be particularly noticeable in relationships. It has to be said that us, as wetlook/wam fetishists are just the same as non-fetish men, except that the images and touch that arouse us are a little different. For whatever reason, our brains are programmed slightly differently and that the programme for triggering arousal has been re-programmed. I think that when you are in love and you make love, it is the same if the fetish is involved or not.

It is ALWAYS much better with someone you love than it is with someone you don't!

leonmoomin

(Said by mister anti-relationships!)

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Since we're into sex now

By Eric - evyked@iname.com Wed 27/08/03 01:05:29 GMT

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When you have sex with a girl in wet or messy clothes, is it the girl you make love to, or is she turned into a sexual object that happens to be wearing the clothes ?

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