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Subject: Re:G4 mockery

Date: Fri 30/03/12 18:25:37 GMT

Name: MK

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AnthonyX is correct.....under the "Fair Use" provision of copyright laws, any TV station or TV show can legally grab stuff they find on the internet and then show in on their tv shows, and they can edit it or misrespresent it or show it out of context in whatever way they like.....cos "fair use" allows tv stations to broadcast anything they deem to be a "news event".....and so if you post a silly video of yourself on Youtube....any tv news outlet can pick that up and broadcast it as a news event etc.

I guess you can say you have "made it"....when the mainstream media picks up your media and shows in on their tv show.

Getting back to the mockery aspects.....we were contacted by the producers of the Jerry Springer show in the late 1990's....who wanted us to go on the show and bring some of our models, and to talk about the wetlook culture. We were initially interested in going on their show....but during negotiations with the producers of the show it became clear that they were not interested in having a serious or even light hearted debate about the wetlook culture....cos they felt that was "too boring"....and what they wanted was to have some "conflict"....cos their show is like professional wrestling....all pre-rehearsed conflict and brawls. So....the producers explained that what they wanted was to have me and my models seated on one side of the stage....and then they would square us off against a load of feminists who would be yelling and screaming at us....saying that we were abusing women by making them do wetlook shoots etc. So...what they wanted was to abuse us and mock us and have a large audience of people laughing at us and yelling etc.

My reaction was.....you must be kidding.....unless you are gonna pay me and my models a decent appearance fee and send us first class airtickets to Chicago where the show is taped, and put us up in a 5 star hotel......why would I want to do that....not unless my girls could make a lot of money from it and it would help their careers. My girls were OK with doing this for a fee (cos they had already done segments on the Jenny Jones show, Richard Bey Show, and the Phil Donahue show....where they had to pretend to have some fetish that they did not really have...but they are actresses and will take on acting jobs if the fee is good).....so...I was reluctant to go on the show, but my girls were keen to go on the show and put on the performance they wanted us to do. So....then I asked the producers what our fee would be and if they would cover our travel expenses to Chicago.....and they said NO to everything.....i.e. they wanted us to pay for our own way to get to Chicago and not even pay us for being abused on their show.....so I said...."no thanks.....".....why would I want to pay for my own expenses to be on a show where all they to is abuse and mock us.......I am not a masochist who gets off on being abused......just an aquaphile.

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Re:G4 mockery

By AnthonyX - anthonyx@jowc.net Fri 30/03/12 15:37:37 GMT

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I doubt anyone could successfully sue for something like that. As litigious as the US is, there is a doctrine of "fair use" in copyright legislation, and free speech is very well protected. If you watch American late night TV, especially shows which engage in political satire, you'll see exaclty the same sort of treatment applied to sound bites. And, if you've ever seen "Mystery Science Theater" or Canada's "Ed the Sock", you'd see the virtually the same treatment done to bad movies.

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Re:G4 mockery?

By Jessica - friends@fantasystockings.com Fri 30/03/12 07:21:08 GMT

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About G4 mockery:

To me this is theft of copyrighted material and also defamatory use. I think I'd sue for such thing.

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Re:G4 mockery?

By MK - wamtec@comcast.net Thu 29/03/12 23:01:59 GMT

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The G4 channel tv show was called "The International Sexy Ladies Show" and they kept stealing clips from Flaviu's Eurowam sites and then re-editing them and adding their own mocking commentary to the clips, saying how dumb and stupid this was. The show aired Flaviu's clips on 4-5 of their shows in 2010, and I posted them to the Wambank (you must have seen them)....but Flaviu was not amused with how his girls were being demeaned and mocked by the commentator so he removed those clips from the Wambank site....cos they were not playing fair.....i.e. they would re-edit clips taken off Flaviu's site and not even contact him to ask for permission to use those clips on their tv show.

What I find hypocritical about the way mainstream tv shows treat us....is that G4 channel is owned by Viacom...who own all the MTV and VH1 channels....and they are as far left liberal and supposedly socially conscious as you can get.....yet those same liberals would never pick on the gay or black community and make fun of them.....but if you are a toothless redneck ....or a wetlook fan....or a christian.....you are fair game to be mocked....so where is all this "tolerance" that the far left MTV crowd preaches to the world....cos it is not given to us.

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G4 mockery?

By AnthonyX - anthonyx@jowc.net Thu 29/03/12 21:43:37 GMT

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I'd be curious to see an example or two of the mockery by G4 tv you talk about.

Always helps to know a little more about what "the other guy" is thinking

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Re:Unexpected benefit of wetlook

By MK - wamtec@comcast.net Thu 29/03/12 19:19:50 GMT

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I think the immortal words of Forrest Gump and Monty Python sum up what being a wetlook has been like for me......i.e. "Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you will get".......and I got the "Crunchy Frog"....and so you try to make the best of what life deals to you.

All those things you say about not wanting to belong to mainstream groups or sororities or teams or "gangs" is certainly true......wetlook fans tend to be loners......and so do Goth fans too...

Bear in mind....this entire thread also used to be true about gay people too....cos until the 1970 it was socially unacceptable to be outwardly gay (cos it used to be illegal in the UK until the 1950's)....and the only difference between being gay and being a wetlook fan is that being gay used to be socially unacceptable but now today it is highly acceptable and lauded, whereas wetlook fans are still pretty much mocked in society......i.e. we do not have "pride" and mainsteam acceptance and millions marching in parades the way that gay people have today. We do not have famous celebrities supporting us the way that most hollywood celebs support the gay community......cos there is really no difference between a gay person and a wetlook fan when it boils down to the major key point........i.e. they can't achieve orgasm using "traditional" sexual means, and they can only achieve sexual satisfaction via "an aternative lifestyle".

The only real difference between the gay community and the wetlook community....is NUMBERS.....i.e. they have hundreds of millions of people in their communities around the world.....and we only have less than 30,000 wetlook fans around the world.......so because of their huge numbers, they have managed to convince the world today that their alternative lifestyle is now deemed to be a traditional lifestyle.....and so it is a powerful political force that gets major respect these days.....whereas our little community of a few thousand folks remains as something that is still mostly mocked and riduculed by mainstream people and especially by mainstream tv shows who always portray the wam culture in a mocking way...... so we are like Rodney Dangerfield said....we get no respect.

If we had a famous celebrity who would champion our lifestyle......like Lady Gaga does for the gay community.......that would help us a lot. Famous celebs have done a lot to make being gay "fashionable" and trendy........now if only we could get some celebrities to do that for us as well.

If you look at the portrayal of gay people in movies and tv shows over the last 70 years.....they basically went thru 3 phases.....i.e.

- covert ......i.e. Hollywood went to great lengths to hide the sexual orientation of many movie stars....i.e. they even created a rule that male hollywood stars were not allowed to be seen in public in pairs....and they were only allowed to go out to clubs as threesomes or foursomes....cos 3 guys drinkng in a club looked ok...but 2 guys together looks suspicious....Cary Grant and Randolph Scott lived together for many years...but only went out to clubs in threesomes with their other buddies. Hollywood Studio Heads were so powerful, they would even force many stars into "lavender marriages"....where a gay male star married a lesbian actress...purely to hide their real lives.....so this was common until the 1950's......then gay people entered a new phase....

- stereotyping.....and being the butt of jokes and ridicule or playing flamboyant over the top characters like Liberace or John Inman in order to gain a following......and finally in the last 20 years....

- respect and acceptance.....which is where the gay community is today...and it has now become politically incorrect to play gay stereotypes any more (unless you are genius writers/performers like David Walliams and Matt Lucas)

Anyway....back to the wetlook community.....it basically took the gay community about 70 years to go from being covert to being open but ridiculed....to now being accepted and respected. The wetlook community is still in the phase of being mocked and ridiculed (especially by media tv shows in recent years) and so it will probably be at least another 20-30 years before we get any respect or acceptance....cos we do not have our "Lady Gaga" to champion our cause yet.

FYI, I have seen MANY MANY tv documentaries about wetlook fans in the last 15 years......and nearly all the tv documentary portrayals of us on UK and U,.S. tv shows are always portraying us in a mocking way....we are just a joke for most mainstream tv shows...something that they belittle. The one country that DOES do a very fair and respectful portrayal of wetlook fans are the GERMAN tv shows.....cos they always portray us in a serious and respectful way....and not in a mocking way. So....the German TV media does a good job, so I give them high marks for the way they portray us......but the UK and U.S. shows who do segments on us.....they treat us like we are a bunch of weirdos.....e.g. the G4 tv channel in the USA often crops bits from Flaviu's videos...and then overlays their own inane commentary on how they think this is pathetic and that we are a bunch of losers.

The irony for me is.....these same tv shows and commentators that often mock us.....show great respect for gay oriented tv shows...and they would never dare to call what gay people do as weird behaviour and mock them....but they will quickly mock us and what we do.

Now....if only we could get Lady Gaga to make a "fashion statement" and to start a trend of wearing shiny or clinging wet clothing in public......that would really be helpful....cos nobody would dare to mock her.....they would all follow what she does and treat this as a new fashion trend.

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Re:Unexpected benefit of wetlook

By AnthonyX - anthonyx@jowc.net Thu 29/03/12 15:36:03 GMT

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This is an interesting thread for me because I think I have always been a little out of the mainstream too, kinda followed the beat of a different drummer. I've never followed professional team sports, much of my life I've never had an interest in what was then current music (now considered classic rock), never really accomplished much of the "male bonding" thing either.

Of course I like the thought Jessica left us with... things we could look forward to.

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Unexpected benefit of wetlook

By Silas - Thu 29/03/12 03:09:55 GMT

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An unexpected benefit of wetlook.

As I was watching a "Drunk Sex Orgy" update, I was frustrated by all the porn, and hoping that they would get to the "good stuff", the girls fully clothed in the shower.

I couldn't help thinking how completely opposite that is from most other guys, if they were watching the same video, they would be completely frustrated by all these silly girls in the shower in all their clothes, and why don't they get naked and start having sex?

And that led to this thought - my wetlook fetish serves an additional purpose. I have never really "bonded" with a group of other guys. Never been part of any fraternity, any club, any like-minded group of guys. Never been fully immersed into any team mentality, any group philosophy, any herd thinking. And part of that is because my sex drive (which is a huge component of our consciousness, our intentions, our direction) has a polar opposite dimension to most other guys.

This keeps me going in a completely different direction than most other guys would.

This month, I have been working on a recovery program (for alcoholics, not wetlookaholics) where it teaches you to embrace yourself and accept yourself AS YOU ARE. Not so you'd change. I am 36 years old, and I still have EXACTLY the same sexual desires as when I was 12. I don't see this changing, and I am slowly working my way around to just embracing it as a part of who I am.

But the dominating nature of sex drive, because it drives me in such an unusual direction, in such an all-consuming fashion, serves to point my thinking in an unusual direction, and in so doing, creates a unique purpose for my point of view. New conclusions, new ideas, new combinations of old concepts. Cool stuff.

Which is an unexpected benefit of wetlook.

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