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Message # 43754.1.1.1 Subject: Re:youtubes in Wetlook Crawler Date: Fri 02/04/10 14:55:18 GMT Name: Jürgen Email: webmaster@ws-net.net Website: http://crawler.ws-net.net |
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Let's say something additional about the "people only support this website" theme:
I by myself would like to compare the situation with Google today or with Microsoft in the late 90s. Google is a very popular search engine. And it is a very good search engine. I think it is the best search engine of the world. People use Google because it is easy, it is free and it is powerfull. But if people only support Google, because it is so easy to do this, no other search engine will have any chance anymore. No company will invest any money in a future search engine, because there is no chance to get anything back. And if there is no competitor any longer, even Google will not invest any more money in future technology, because there is no need to do it.
And that's what has happend to the wetlook comunity too. It is really hopeless to invest in any other forum of the world, because people do not support it. This forum here is a very good one. I think it is the best wetlook forum of the world. But if people will support only this forum, there will never be any chance to get something new, something additional or something better on any other website, because it is really hopeless to invest in something like this.
Please look at the browser situation in the late 90's. There was Internet Explorer and nothing else. People have used Explorer, they didn't support anything else. And what they got back was Internet Explorer, nothing else. No need for Microsoft to include better features, increase the speed or make it really compatibel to the international standard. And then came Firefox, organiced by a comunity of people who has developed the complete project only based on a vision: To give people an alternative. And please look what we have today: Firefox - by my understanding the best browser of the world, Chrome - very fast, very good features, Explorer - much better than any version before. And all of this browser (inkl. Safari, Opera) are 100% compatible to the international standard. In comparision to the past, we have a perfect browser situation today.
Please don't understand me wrong. I really ask people to support this forum. But I really ask them to support alternative websites too: UMD, Wambank, Crawler, StyxForum. And if I talk about "support" I don't talk about only visiting the website. No! If people do not support active, writting articles, sendig picture or video links, giving a feedback, if they don't do things like this, there will be no chance for this websites in the Future (ok, UMD will not have a problem, because they have mory wam then wet). Make your own decision.
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In reply to Message (43754.1.1) Re:youtubes in Wetlook Crawler
By MK - wamtec@comcast.net Fri 02/04/10 13:47:48 GMT What Jürgen says is true....especially....
>Youtube videos can not be crawled automatically, because the keywords of youtube do not work very well.
Very true, we were the first ones to created a Youtube collection site 4 years ago for wet & messy fans, and when EuroWAM TEAM and I created theWambank site 4 years ago, we created a special section on theWambank for automatically imported Youtube videos, so we created such a site for importing wet and messy Youtube vids 4 years ago, but as Jurgen said, automatically importing wetlook videos from Youtube based on keywords does not well at all. In theory....it is dead easy to create a site to import Youtubes, cos all you need to do is set up a simple blog site or create your own site, and then subscribe to the RSS feeds section on Youtube, then Youtube will automatically feed all "authorized" videos based upon the keywords you set up in your RSS feeds subscriber settings. By "authorized feeds" I mean...all Youtube users have their own profile, and Youtube users have an option in their profile to "allow your video to be fed to external sites...yes or no"...and by default the answer is "yes"...so unless a Youtube user changes it to "no"...then defacto Youtube has permission to feed those vids to any external site that wants to display it. All good in theory....but the reality was, when EuroWAM TEAM and I set up these feeds, we got bombarded with hundreds of videos per day from Youtube....90% of which were not relevant to wetlook (cos the word "wet" brings you all kinds of mainstream crap that are not wetlook)...and EuroWAM TEAM and I only have 2 other moderators (Waterspaniel and AnthonyX) and our site was being flooded with incoming garbage from Youtube every day...and no time to moderate it all and sort out the 5% of good stuff from the 95% that was garbage.
So basically....we ended up getting 200,000 Youtubes on our Wambank site....and most of it was pure junk.
So...last year...EuroWAM TEAM and I decided to re-design the Youtube section of theWambank site.....so we deleted all the 200,000 Youtubes that were fed automatically...and redesigned the Youtube section to make it a manual "suggest a youtube" button.....cos folks post Youtube links every day to Nigel's forum...so we created a new system where folks can now suggest their favorite Youtube links and store them on thewambank instead.....so now we have a new "suggest a Youtube" section....with only 884 vids at present....but now they are all relevant and not garbage....see here...
http://www.thewambank.com/onlinevideos.php
So....we have such a site and feature for youtube collectors now available at theWambank.....but to be honest....not many people are using it, cos most folks still prefer to post their Youtube links here on Nigel's forum instead........so you can't change people's habits....all we can do is offer people an option and it is up to them whether they wish to use it or not.
As for the other thing Jurgen mentions
>It looks like people only want to support pictures and videos in this forum here and not in any other modern technique system.
Well....thats true for us too, cos EuroWAM TEAM and I have created lots of amazing features at the Wambank (30,000+ free pics in our Celebrity Picture Galleries, thousand of free videos, a free website blogging system) and our website design is state of the art, but most folks just prefer the very simple tree structure format of this forum instead. We had hoped that if enough people supported our wambank site and our traffic was high, that this would attract advertisers, and then if we received ad revenue support, then we could do what Youtube does....i.e. Youtube gets ad revenue support, which is how it can provide all videos for free, cos it has ad sponsors that pay for it's servers and overhead etc. But sadly that has not happened, and whereas there are dozens of banner ad sponsors who support this forum and the UMD forum, we have very little support to cover the costs for our servers and bandwidth hosting....so we get support from some fans who buy credits on our site, which is much appreciated, cos that is what keeps theWambank going, plus the many great video contributors who upload stuff etc.
Thats the irony, most wet fans just prefer something simple and not something sophisticated that is state of the art design.....so we have learned not to try and design fancy things that the fans may not want....and now we just listen to the fans...and try to make new sites that give the fans what they are looking for.
MK
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In reply to Message (43754.1) youtubes in Wetlook Crawler
By Jürgen - webmaster@ws-net.net Fri 02/04/10 12:25:26 GMT Website: http://crawler.ws-net.net Hello!
I'm Jürgen, admin of the Wetlook Crawler website. Your idea about youtube videos in our search engine is not new. We have thought about it from the beginning on and we have implemented the technique to handle it. You can see an example of this in our forum, where a youtuve video and some DivX player videos have been embedded in some forum articles.
The problem is the following: Many people come and look about our pictures. We have a good number of visitors every day. But there are really NO persons who like to support our website. We do not receive any mails with links about websites with new picures. All 25000 (!) free prictures has been crawled by our full automatic system. Not ONE visitor has written us any new idea to get additional good pictures. It looks like people only want to receive the free stuff, not support it.
Youtube videos can not be crawled automatically, because the keywords of youtube do not work very well. We do not see it as our position to implent a youtube video database for free without getting any support from any user. Even our forum, where people can include pictures and videos is not supported very well.
It looks like people only want to support pictures and videos in this forum here and not in any other modern technique system. Theat's fine. People should decide by themself what they like to support and what they don't like to support. But if they don't like to support our webiste, they should not ask about additional free features, with a lot of work that would be need to do all by ourself.
Sorry for those "hard words", but sometimes it makes me wondering how people think the business works,
I wish you a very nice Eastern weekend.
Jürgen Koch |
In reply to Message (43754) Idea of a new site
By Wetlooker - Pe4r@hotmail.com Fri 02/04/10 12:00:34 GMT Theauabank.com is a good site but its many swimsuite-videos.
Think to built a website with youtubevideos with wet clothes.
Some this forum but videos, and i can going in there and search on pool, shower, t-shirt or winterswimming.
I should like this site.
We have a other site - but its pictures, wetlook-crawler maybee.....
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