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Subject: Re: Guidelines on copyright, revised 2003, producers please comment

Date: Sun 01/06/03 05:17:02 GMT

Name: MK

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Sounds fine to me Brian

Actually, there is another perspective not really addressed in your guidelines..i.e. they are mostly guidelines aimed at the average consumer or amateur webmaster, asking for the normal etiquettes to be observed.

What is not really addressed is....copyright violations by "rogue" websites that are professional in nature and outright steal other people's work. As you know...Graham had to deal with one such company in the last couple of weeks.

The real issue for me with the case Graham kindly handled for all us webmasters with that rogue website stealing pcs from at least a dozen wam producers...was not so much their blatant actions (which I considered to be quite pathetic actually...i.e. to think that the wam public are that naive and stupid to pay $19 a month to see pics that are already freely available on the internet anyway). What concerned me more was that this rogue website was allowed unfettered access to advertise on UMD in their newsbox area...and even when a dozen or so webmasters were filing complaints on he forums and with UMD...that website was still allowed to continue to advertise on UMD..and the UMD webmaster failed to respond to the email complaints that Graham and myself sent to UMD.

Nigel dealt with the issue swiftly and decisively...by blocking that person/website from accessing this forum...however, UMD did nothing to protect our interests in this case...and did nothing to prevent them from continuing to advertise their stolen propety to the UMD community.

So...as a further addendum to your guidelines...what I would like to see...is a revision to the "terms of service" rules on UMD...to be more clear on this subject, as are Nigel's rules for this forum...i.e. that in order to be a part of this community..you cannot engage in illegal theft of others works...and if you do...you should be banned from accessing the UMD or Wetlook forums.

There should be a kind of "guild" for wam producers...who agree to follow the most basic standards...and while we may not be able to take legal action against rogue webmasters in other countries...we can certainly cut off their main source of access to the wam customers..i.e. UMD and Wetlook Forums....and then whatever they steal will not really matter...cos when you cut them off from where all the wam customers congregate...then they will wither and die (and just move onto another genre instead).

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Guidelines on copyright, revised 2003, producers please comment

By crazygirlsbrian - webmaster@crazygirlsinternational.com Sun 01/06/03 00:50:39 GMT

Website: C:\Sites\cgbabecom\postingrules.html

These guidelines were first agreed by the main wam producers 3 or 4 years ago. The additions at the bottom were agreed 2 years ago by the producers who responded to a big debate within the wetlook forum at that time.

To messmaster, can I suggest amending the text on the Classifieds forum (Please, do not trade tapes if the tape is from a wam producer.) to include ANY material from a Wam Producer, including tapes, CDs, DVDs, pics and video clips without the permission of that Wam Producer.

These are the guidelines I and some other WAM and Wetlook producers have agreed to and use, but you should check with the producer concerned before using ANY of his/her material.

Following the debate about Chainsaw's CD, I have suggested some amendments at the bottom of this document...

The revised document can be found at http://cgbabe.com/postingrules.html

THE GUIDELINES (circa 2001)

Some years ago, Rob Blaine, myself and several others got together (by email) to discuss our position on use of our pictures on other sites.

The result can be summarised as follows...

1) Technically, ANY use without specific permission is infringement of copyright (with certain exceptions as the law allows), therefore we reserve the right to have any pics removed whether or not their use complies with these guidelines.

2) We do not object to a collection showing some of our pics provided that they are clearly marked with our copyright and URL. (a mere statement that they are taken by Minx actually makes copyright more difficult to enforced against anyone who downloads pics from your site and puts them up elsewhere.)

3) Any credit, link or copyright notice should be WITH the pictures, not elsewhere on a page or site.

4) Where the producer has printed his/her copyright and URL on the pics, this must not be removed, obscured or made unreadable or less readable.

5) The number of pics from one producer or picture set should not be so many as to make it not worthwhile for a surfer to go to that producers own site. (My own personal guideline is 2 pics from any one set or between 10 and 15 from my sites in total, depending on the size of the collection site it is on, so that pics from any one producer should not form an unduly large part of a collection site, otherwise it isn't really a collection site at all.)

6) No pics from a pay-sites members' area should be used without SPECIFIC permission.

Two new guidelines (added circa 2001).

7) no use on paysites, whether in a chargeable area of the site or not, without the SPECIFIC permission of the producer. Paysites include sites where payment is made in kind, by uploading pics or video clips to get access or membership.

8) any video file such as avis, mpegs should ONLY be used with SPECIFIC permission, especially as they are so difficult or impossible to put a logo, URL copyright notice on.

Brian

Amendments..

Correction to Guideline 6...

This should read "Nothing from a pay-site's members' area should be used without SPECIFIC permission."

New guideline 9)

No commercial use whatsoever without SPECIFIC permission. For the avoidance of doubt commercial user includes any use for payment, regardless of whether a profit is intended or made, or any use by a business, or in conjunction with something else which is sold. (This is to cover situations similar to including a free CD of pictures taken from WAM producers bundled with something else which is paid for.)

Brian Grove, LL.B., webmaster, http://www.crazygirlsinternational.com

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