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Subject: Re: Re: To WIR et al - although off topic...

Date: Wed 23/04/03 12:20:58 GMT

Name: Walt

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Good (you know what I mean!), not everybody knows where to look for the real source. I think this one gleaned email addresses out of the TIF of somebody's computer. Seems it hit paydirt on a Wetlook forum from the addresses!

This one had me going for a second as I never had mail bounce back I never sent in the first place before! I have McAfee HAWK set to really keep a very close eye on Outlook. Heuristics is in full swing, too. Heuristics has saved my bacon a few times from bugs too new to have been added to the definition files. HAWK has caught me a couple of times when I sent a few emails out in a matter of seconds & I had to assure it I meant to send them out like that! Plus, I have Outlook set to reject anything that could be harmful, too!

I don't worry about the ones sent out that don't bounce (that I know nothing about), but your wise security settings bouncing it back to where it thought it came from caught my attention! I put a notice on my own forum about this for the viewers there. Hopefully they will know their Webmaster is not infected!!

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Re: To WIR et al - although off topic...

By WETINRED - stekz@cableone.net Wed 23/04/03 11:57:54 GMT

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Hey Walt, I get 'em all the time. That's what worms do ,they get into everybody address book that u send out msgs to, then they just use all the names in everyones address book that I send msgs to then they pretend to come from people u know. I get 'em from Graham, yeahuno, Kia, everyone that ive sent out to, so I know that their not actually from u guys and like u said gotta keep ur virus def. up to date r. Norton A/V 2003 just chews 'em up and spit's 'em out

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To WIR et al - although off topic...

By Walt - Wed 23/04/03 11:05:23 GMT

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Just a note about a virus causing me a bit of grief (embarrasment): I'm having mail 'returned' that I know has not come from my computer. The originating date and times are times when the computer was not even connected. I got the same virus attempt myself that McAfee and Outlook both squashed.

This file mascerades as a MIDI file, but has a "scr" extension. The subject is usually "unsubscribe".

I mentioned Wetinred, as one of the returned mails was from him (he was on the receiving end, and was not in any way responsible, as he also has his security settings so he is safe).

It's time to mention again that nowadays a virus scanner and up-to-date definition files are mandatory!!

Sorry for the off-topic bit, but, looking at the addresses forged, I feel certain somebody who frequents this forum (and has a Yahoo! Plus account - that is the most common theme in the "return path" - You have to have a Plus account to use POP and SMTP with Yahoo! at least in the US) has an infection. I'm hoping folks will double-check their systems. The returns seem to be following Wetlook followers' addresses. Even a few forum administrators (Nigel's OK) of forums I don't follow seem to be represented in both the forged "reply" and actual "return" fields.

I'm encouraging especially the owners of any Wetlook forums or Yahoo! groups (WIR excepted) and who has a Plus account and uses Outlook or OE to check closely with a good up-to-date virus scanner. A firewall that monitors your email program is a good thing. My Mcafee FW shows the log to be clean with no unexpected Outlook operations.

Now that I blew an hour double-checking my system (even though the times were all when I had the computer disconnected), I'm back to surfing!

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