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Message # 24856.1

Subject: Re: Where is it.

Date: Fri 22/09/06 19:12:18 GMT

Name: Kerry Tiller

Email: kctiller@cox.net

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The URL for their main discussion forum has a Malaysian URL tag (.org.my). I suspect this bunch is an affiliation of the Campus City Ministry that was founded in Penang as a Christian fellowship organization for local and foriegn college students in Malaysia. Most demographic sources will claim Malayasia is less than 5% Christian, but in recent years, the huge Chinese population in the West (penninsular Malaysia) has seen an incerease in conversion to Christianity. The largest religious bloc, Muslim, is mostly in the insular East. Although the indigenous Malays hold political power, the Chinese population has been the driving economic force in Kuala Lumpur. There seems to be a parallel between the increase in economic growth and an intrest in Christianity among the Chinese in Malaysia. That is just an observation from one Western traveler who loves that part of the world. If I have not gotten it right, I appologize to the Malaysians on this forum and will be happy to stand corrected if you care to reply.

Kerry Tiller

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This place has the right idea about proper swimwear!

By Desert Hawk - Fri 22/09/06 04:08:03 GMT

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These pictures are from a Christian camp. In the camp pool, there are no bikinis or one-piece swimsuits in sight. All the women are swimming in shorts and t-shirts. Even many of the men have t-shirts on. Most of the shorts are swim trunks (which, as you know if you have followed my messages, I consider to be just another style of shorts), but a few are "street clothes".

http://www.flickr.com/photos/89177631@N00/sets/72157594262963505/ the album

now for the best pictures from the album:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/89177631@N00/230726732/in/set-72157594262963505/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/89177631@N00/230724165/in/set-72157594262963505/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/89177631@N00/230726730/in/set-72157594262963505/

This group seems to be college age approx 18-20. The camp seems to be somewhere in Asia, but strangely, English appears to be the language spoken. Could this be Singapore, Hong Kong, Papua New Guinea, or are there lots of areas in Asia where English use is common? These pictures clearly show that it is possible to have fun in the water without exposing nakedness via bikinis for women and bare chests for men. This seems to be the norm in Asia, why not in America? Why don't more churches adopt policies like this for church-sponsored swimming parties. Instead, the trend in America is for churches, including my own, to ban all "mixed swimming" because, as my pastor puts it, "mixed swimming is the same as mixed nudity". This statement is correct when referring to regular American ideas of swimwear. A much better solution would be to do as this group has done: announce that bikinis and one-piece swimsuitsare prohibited; everyone must wear shorts and shirts.

One more picture (dry):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/89177631@N00/230693024/in/set-72157594262963505/

The woman on the left is wearing swim trunks as regular clothes. These shorts are obviously swim trunks, because "street clothes" shorts don't have logos on the lower leg, as these do, and the stripes on the side are another indicator. I included this picture as further evidence of my position that swim trunbks are indeed a form of regular clothes, and therefore wet swim trunks with shirts are entirely on-topic here.

One more thing, I was very lucky to have found this at all. My search term was "Tidal Wave", as in the ride. It just so happens that of the male pictures used that phrase in the description. There must be lots more pictures like these out there that I will never find. People like these consider swimming in clothes to be perfectly normal, so they will not highlight this in descriptions, so searches for "swim clothes", "pool clothes", etc will not find them. I don't have time to search "swim", "pool", etc. and then weed through hundreds of bikini pictures looking for a few elusive pictures we are interested in, especially since I am stuck with dialup!

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