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Message # 23859.7.1.1

Subject: Re: Re: Re: A Rational Argument for the Other Side

Date: Thu 27/07/06 09:47:03 GMT

Name: soak_ed

Email: soak_ed@hotmail.com

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By Telcontar - mrnemesis@ntlworld.com Thu 27/07/06 08:46:28 GMT

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You could make that remark about any facet of human nature including the really depraved aspects, but that does not mean that we have to accept it.

What you probably don't understand is that people are all different about how we work. There's a scale, I suppose, from ruthless businessfolk who are interested in nothing but money (and with no regard as to how it's generated) and the other extreme, people who only care that they're making people happy.

I imagine most of us fall somewhere in the middle. We're social creatures. It's nice to see people smile. It's nice to know that our work has made someone happy. It's nice to talk about what we enjoy. It's nice to share in all the fun with other people.

I have a site of my own. It's not a wetlook site, hence I don't generally put the URL in the "Website" box, I don't want to be accused, even silently in people's minds, of spamming. I've had a site since 2000, and the current site has been around in basically the same form since June 2001. That's about five years. It's full of all kinds of goodies, fun, amusing, nerdy, technical, informative, useful, all kinds. And generally, no-one takes any notice. Not after all these years. I get plenty of hits via Google and other search engines, but I guess no-one finds a thing they want and just leaves.

It's quite an empty existence running a site. I can look at the download counts for various programs on there, but that tells me nothing, everyone could be deleting stuff as soon as they try it out.

Obviously, if you're selling a service, you get paid. Money is useful. Money is nice. But money is not happiness, it's not feedback, it's not even a face, or a person, it's just an empty, distant token. OK, you can reasonably figure that someone is satisfied enough to pay, but the real human touch is not there.

We are social creatures, we like interaction, words, a smiling face. Business success is none of that; successful people in business tend to be some of the most detached from humanity and what it means to be a real person. Yes, they have all the money, but love and true happiness means a lot less.

I understand how Steve feels. I know the emptiness of wondering who's out there. He's luckier than me, he at least gets remunerated for his work *and* gets to film women get wet. The best I can do is check my referrer log and ask Google who links to my site, only to find on both counts that no-one does. Most hits that are not from search engines appear to be bandwidth thieves too fucking lazy to host images they want to nick from my site, elsewhere. I have tons of spare bandwidth so for now I'm not getting cruel with .htaccess.

Sometimes, the human touch is all we really need.

By soak_ed - soak_ed@hotmail.com Thu 27/07/06 07:54:33 GMT

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Have you stopped to consider this?  I for one don't care for the LL pictures, the resolution is poor and the girls do not appeal to me.  Rather than post a complaint I don't say anything.  Nothing wrong with that.  Secondly, LL is a pay site, with a few free samples.  Now my idea of consumer products is if people buy them then they like the product, if they don't they won't buy.  Consider that scourge of America, Wal Mart.  They provide things people want at a low price.  You don't see Wal Mart complaining in a newspaper that nobody wrote letters to them about thier latest sales flyer do you?  Of course not.  People vote with their pocketbook.  So, to all of the pay site producers that complain that people aren't thanking them for the free picture now and then, don't worry about it.  If site memberships are going up, you must be giving them something they like.  If members are dropping out and nobody is loining, you must not be providing what people want to see.  I think part of the problem is most pay site producers are hobbyists that are trying to recoup some expenses and maybe trying to make a couple of bucks.  That is O.K. but don't think folks are going to flock to your site just because it is there.  MK and Erik Elsas are two producers that have been around a long time and have developed a business out of it more than a hobby.  I doubt they are getting rich but they obviously spend a lot of time and effort, especially MK trying to bring what the people want to the internet.  They work hard at irt and are always trying new things and different stuff.  I don't believe I have ever heard either of them complain about anything.  I remember when Leon Moomin first started out and he used to whine quite a bit about lack of thanks or attention or whatever.  Well did Leon give up?  No, he just plugged along and continues to push the wetlook envelope, producing some great stuff, even jeans and pants which he hates but knows others like them.

I have maintained a small free site for a couple of years now, and we get some feedback from it.  I appreciate the comments.  I put up the site and pay a small sum to keep it on the web, not so I can get gratification from happy viewers (which we are always happy to see) but to give back in my own small way to the community that has given so much to me.

I guess the bottom line to WIR and others that feel slighted is this:  If you are getting customers then who cares what  people say or don't say.  If there is a problem, well just don't post stuff anymore.  Last I checked, Nigel has adds on the site but he doesn't charge a penny (or pence) for all of the advertising producers get in the forum postings.  When people are running a pay site and complaining about a lack of attention, well that just rubs me the wrong way.  For the folks like JetWet and others that put up lots of free material, just accept the fact that most people even though they may like what they see are not going to say thanks.  Many famous artists died penniless and unappreciated such as Vincen Van Gogh.  Just accept that human nature isn't going to change and leave it at that.  

By WETINRED - stekz@cableone.net Wed 26/07/06 15:52:45 GMT

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