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Subject: Hello no or few dates

Date: Tue 18/07/06 21:36:15 GMT

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You have never been on a date in your entire life?  Wow!  Why is that?  Are you too scared to ask a woman out, or do you get nothing but rejections?

 

I have had exactly two dates my entire life!  Both were strictly one-off events because the woman felt sorry for a poor loser.  I didn't realize this at the time about the first woman, and continued to pursue her until she almost filed sexual harassment charges against me!  The second woman wanted to go out again, but wanted me to buy her alcohol.  She is under 21, so I told her that I will not buy her any alcohol, so she didn't want to go after that.  She turns 21 this November, so i am going to ask her out again then, and I will buy her alcohol then.  

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By Telcontar - mrnemesis@ntlworld.com gb Tue 18/07/06 16:56:16 GMT

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Well, I'm still sure that for the majority of men (present company excepted) not female wetlook is the thing they are after, but simply naked skin.

There's nothing wrong with naked skin ;-) But wetlook is a tease and tease is good. Wetinred and I were discussing that wet t-shirt contests don't have enough tease. Even dry clothes are a tease. The less chance you have to get what you want (naked skin) the more you want it. Show naked skin immediately and, well, you win, game over. Now what? Dry clothes may or may not indicate the woman's figure (depending on whether they're loose or tight), wet clothes that cling start to make her figure clearer but yet still not show you any naked skin yet. If the wet clothes go translucent (i.e. semi-transparent) and you can see a bra or some skin, it's even sexier.

Which for me is ironic. If I can see a bra faintly through a t-shirt, it's sexy, but I feel like the woman would be embarrassed at revealing so much (even though it often doesn't seem to bother them). Yet bikinis are far more revealing and very commonplace. I wonder if I am projecting our reactions onto the women, and that they'd not feel embarrassed because they don't think they're sexy when wet? I've talked to both men and women who see nothing in wetlook beyond simply wet people.

That said, wet clothes and especially wet hair are sexy in their own right, and they feel nice too, so they make you want to feel the woman more, touch her, hold her. Wet or sweaty/clammy skin has more friction, whereas clothes can be smoother when wet.

Perhaps we can figure out what men want that visit this forum here. We still can't tell whether there are more or less men after wetlook than, say, ten years ago. The increasing number of forum visitors may also says that it's easier or cheaper to get "into" the web, or that search enginges got better to find what these men were looking for. If you do your poll, please include a question like "Since when are you a wetlook lover". I guess most answers will be "since my teenager years".

The general answer is that we've all liked wetlook since we were young. I remember playing in the paddling pool at about age 6 or so and being made to wear a vest to protect my skin, and I wasn't turned on or anything. I found that I liked wet hair on girls however, but I wasn't sexually aware yet so I am not sure why I liked it! I remember soaking my sister's dolls in the paddling pool and getting into trouble for it :) It would be a few years until I started experimenting with wet clothes in the bath and shower (I tended to take my sister's clothes from the washing basket at the time and soak them, but I also got wet in my own clothes.) And I was 18 when I finally got access to the Web at university and did a search for "wet hair".

There is good evidence to suggest that wetlook has been around some decades or more, and quite possibly since the beginning of time. I really have no idea how far back it goes. How about BSDM?!

Yes, I see a difference. And I doubt to be an aide in that concern. But then, is the difference so great? Would you ask a girl when you meet her the first time for her thoughts about the latest Linux kernel compilation? I guess no, since you know most of the girls would stay up and go away (and most boys, too). So you would leave that subject for later, maybe when she needs som help with her Windows.

Psh :) I'd never survive a relationship with someone who's not technical, since I'm a terrible nerd. And it depends how you meet the girl, I suppose. I've never been on a date so I don't know, nor do I know where I'd ever meet any women at all, let alone those I could actually get on with. If I liked more "obvious" things like PC gaming, Linux or Mac OS X, I might meet a nice women at a user group or a hacker conference, but then I'd be competing with all the other men there :)

Maybe you have the chance to accompany her for a swimming in the sea or pool. If you by that chance tell her that you prefer to swim wearing a shirt and that you like the feeling on the skin etc. (instead of silly excuses about UV radiation) and you do not ask her to do the same then I can't imagine she will cry out and run away. And if she does, then don't worry: she was the wrong one.

I see your logic. Anyone who's not too shy to take a date to the beach for the day, may find that this works. I don't drive, so we'd have to get the train -- there is a train to Brighton that goes through my town actually. But taking the train to the beach on every date with every girl would prove expensive and inconvenient, given the indications here of how few women like getting wet (all the men who remark that their wife doesn't have an interest in getting wet).

I think it's far more important to me that the woman be technically competent and nerdy as that's the safe, non-sexual site to me. If I have to settle for "only" (!) naked skin and no wet clothes, so be it, I guess. Wet hair is great and I'd not likely be denied seeing that.

I don't imagine we'd have a pool at home or that the swimming pools in the area would allow clothed swimming, so just playing in water in clothes for fun -- and not because it's sexy -- would probably not be possible even if she wanted it.

Hmmm, that's really how I feel when I'm wet, too. But I also believe that only thinking one looks sexy somehow makes ones behaviour and thus the appearance sexier. Automatically. Try it. Start smiling.

I know what you mean, but it's just not the same. I need to feel sexy because I'm wet, and becase wet clothes feel nice to touch.

May I suggest to start with a simply DB table, one column per question, on record per participant? Write a simple PHP form with input elements (checkboxes, radiobuttons, combo boxes, and edit fields) to output and to verify the form and to put the record into the table. If filled, export the table and do the whole interpretation stuff using Calc or Excel or whatever.

I could. I tend to prefer writing something more generic, and I was hoping that the resulting code could be used to run other polls. I am not sure on the bandwidth implications of leaving it up as a free site for people to play with, but that would be really sweet if I could. As such, that starts creating questions like, do I have one table per poll? Otherwise, I can't have one a column per question as each poll would be sharing that same table and I'd be adding extra columns each time a longer poll came along. I did talk about it with a friend but he didn't really have any good ideas. And the idea also was -- I think? -- that individual users could play with the results on the Web, not just the poll owner. So yeah, a little bit complicated :)

I'll keep the list of questions so far around on my hard drive just in case.

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By WetMartina - wetmartina@sonnenkinder.org de Tue 18/07/06 13:26:03 GMT

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Hi all,
it's me that was away from the forum for almost two weeks. How time flies! I was a bit busy all the days and a bit too lazy all the evenings. Thanks for the reminders

I'd like to thank all of you that emailed me their comments about my tiny story. And, even more, I loved very much to find some other small stories here. Thank you Regenman [You should stop smoking, BTW. Too many cigarettes in your story ], Jennifer and Todd, and Victor. Please, all, don't keep your everyday experiences secret. A few lines are enough, and it's great to know that someone with a known name has become wet and happy again.

And, last but not least, it was a great pleasure to see all the vintage jeans photos by Frankie posted by Scott. I wish I would have been there, but I guess I'm some years too young plus I lived in the wrong part of the world those days, plus my parents were a bit to strict.

However, today is today, and I still owe Telcontar some answers to his posting (quotes indented).

    Hm ... I'm just saying I suppose that if we look at how popular female wetlook is -- all the forum visitors, all the producers of wetlook material -- then there are plenty of men who like looking at wet women. It's not a generalisation of all men, but it's a trend in the sense that there are lot of men who like it, and we can get a handle on their likes.

Well, I'm still sure that for the majority of men (present company excepted) not female wetlook is the thing they are after, but simply naked skin. Wetlook might be one medium to stimulate their fantasy. Not that I know a lot of, but take any soft porn scene, any "sport clip" in the german "DSF" TV night program that starts with a girl getting soaked or muddy. All that wet/mudlook seems to be just a teaser to fuel male fantasy, and fast enough the girl somehow loses her wet clothes, ending up naked. And if one thing is sure then it is the fact that these producers exactly know what their target group likes to see.

    We know what this forum is for, we tend believe that most visitors are men, so we can figure out what men all want.

Perhaps we can figure out what men want that visit this forum here. We still can't tell whether there are more or less men after wetlook than, say, ten years ago. The increasing number of forum visitors may also says that it's easier or cheaper to get "into" the web, or that search enginges got better to find what these men were looking for. If you do your poll, please include a question like "Since when are you a wetlook lover". I guess most answers will be "since my teenager years".

    Unlike finding a tech girlfriend, where you can discuss the subject openly and find out her interests and abilities, wetlook from a man's perspective is still too much about wanting to see the woman get wet for him and thus risking that the woman will feel objectified and refuse.

Yes, I see a difference. And I doubt to be an aide in that concern. But then, is the difference so great? Would you ask a girl when you meet her the first time for her thoughts about the latest Linux kernel compilation? I guess no, since you know most of the girls would stay up and go away (and most boys, too). So you would leave that subject for later, maybe when she needs som help with her Windows. Maybe you have the chance to accompany her for a swimming in the sea or pool. If you by that chance tell her that you prefer to swim wearing a shirt and that you like the feeling on the skin etc. (instead of silly excuses about UV radiation) and you do not ask her to do the same then I can't imagine she will cry out and run away. And if she does, then don't worry: she was the wrong one.

    Men tend to be so lewd and disrespectful about it, and it reflects so badly on men that so many of us objectify women as people to letch at and remark about the size and shape of their bodies. I don't know why women don't act the same way about men, but it's nice that they don't, and men need to learn a lesson there I think.

I only can imagine some very historic reasons for this difference: Men had to protect their tribe against wild animals, against other enemies. Men had to fight wars. Women had to educate children. Maybe in some thousand years the difference will disappear. Hopefully.

    So I figure women like looking at hot men plenty. But, it seems, they're just not interested in wet men. Dang, cause I'd love to believe that I look really sexy wet! =)

Hmmm, that's really how I feel when I'm wet, too. But I also believe that only thinking one looks sexy somehow makes ones behaviour and thus the appearance sexier. Automatically. Try it. Start smiling.

    If I ever did manage to write something that worked

May I suggest to start with a simply DB table, one column per question, on record per participant? Write a simple PHP form with input elements (checkboxes, radiobuttons, combo boxes, and edit fields) to output and to verify the form and to put the record into the table. If filled, export the table and do the whole interpretation stuff using Calc or Excel or whatever.

    ScheiBe forum ist nicht spacen geinserten inbetweenen meine paragraphs...

Gesundheit!

Martina


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