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Message # 22712.1.1.1.1

Subject: wrt the pool parties...

Date: Mon 29/05/06 13:08:25 GMT

Name: Telcontar

Email: mrnemesis@ntlworld.com

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I've certainly see the posts about pool parties, but so far I've not decided that I want to go. Why, I am not 100% sure. I figure it's a variety of reasons.

Firstly, I'm just shy. I'm not strongly sociable (and small talk is at the very least meaningless, if not oppressively irritating) so it is a scary challenge trying to socialise with all unfamiliar people -- who are probably not all geeks and nerds who are the only folk I can really get on with -- and trying not to ogle all the girls or have them destroy my concentration. If some of the girls were techie/nerdy it would be substantially easier to honour them as human beings with proper conversation than stare at them! Maybe I'd find that it would actually go really smoothly, but I cannot be sure.

Continuing to be frank, the cross-dresser side of the subject scares me. I don't want to have to look at cross-dressing men (which I think you indicated takes place at your events). It does not mean that I have a problem with them conceptually; I get repulsed by normal hardcore porn too! I am not against homosexuality or cross-dressing and favour people being able to do whatever they want as long as it's consentual and safe, heck, a bisexual man in Tennessee has just tricked me into taking nude photos of myself and showing him and I find it amusing, but I'd still feel substantially more comfortable if the pool was populated with heterosexual couples. I'd also be very worried if everyone was drinking -- drunk people's unpredictability and weirdness scares me and I want a sober environment. Smoking I would have to just suck up to I guess.

I also would need to find a way to get out of the house and back without revealing what was up. Seeing as I'm going to be honest and open here, I still live with my parents, who are prudish, and being also astonishingly self-conscious in person, they know little of my real nature and I'm hardly going to tell them, oh I'm going to go swimming with all my clothes on with a bunch of strangers.

Finally it might kill the fun that I cannot swim. So I'd have to stay in the shallow part of the pool. Just the water pushing your body around when you start entering the deep end is mortally scary!

It's a pity that a pool party cannot be arranged in "safer" and more compatible circumstances, as it would be a great laugh otherwise. But the invitation to us all was kind all the same. Maybe one day I'll be ready to come join you. For the time being, I'll just invent harebrained schemes like updating Wikipedia that mean I'm also jumping in the deep end of what I can handle in that side of things.

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Re: I don't suppose you want to separate the two out on Wikipedia?

By Jerney Verney - Mon 29/05/06 02:09:27 GMT

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Sorry, Telcontar, a few years ago I would have been absolutely delighted to have written about this! However, due to the subject's intense emotional nature, it is felt that I could no longer give justice to a write-up about clothed swimming (for that, rather than ''wetlook'', is my main involvement in the genre). Why so? I tend to be one of those OCD all-or-nothing personas, who when attention is focussed at the point of interaction (for example playing in what was Trafalgar Square, before UK destroyed its atmosphere, or at the beach subject to the weather) could be absorbed for hours in the delights of both getting wet and sharing this with others. However, the public world has decided it no longer wants to play, and hence, attention has now been withdrawn from the public world to what I now realize is the *real* world, the world of conscious experience -- i.e. I have been forced back into the closet by the attitude of J Random Public. This is not just due to the lack of response to my repeated twice-yearly attempt to organize pool parties (see http://forum.minxmovies.com/showc.cgi?22626 below for example) to share my love of getting wet with other like-minded humans; nor solely due to UK's new attitude (particularly since 9-11) to ''non-normals'' (which the great boring mass of ''normals'' often regards as puerile if not neurotic); but also an essential spiritual defence mechanism in order to preserve whatever little of the original magic there still is left, and nurture it in a philosophical framework where it can grow and flourish, not be slagged off and belittled by others :-|

I hope you aren't too disappointed by my response!

Stay Wet, Feel Wonderful, and Be Happy (SW, FW, and BH) :-)

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I don't suppose you want to separate the two out on Wikipedia?

By Telcontar - mrnemesis@ntlworld.com Sun 28/05/06 21:05:02 GMT

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Or maybe explain to me what the text on each page should say, if you don't know how to work with a wiki (they're fiddly bastards to understand)

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Re: "Wet clothing" or "wetlook" -- the difference?

By Jerney Verney - Sun 28/05/06 19:21:35 GMT

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Glad you mentioned that :-) I've always felt that there's a big difference between swimming (or getting wet) in clothes, and looking at other people getting (or being) wet. That's prolly one reason why the genre (I won't call it a fetish, because I don't believe it is only a fetish!) is so confused by the general public.

It is clear from events at swimming pools and theme parks, that many more people enjoy getting wet themselves, than watching others getting wet from afar. Also the public don't regard the first as weird or kinky (unless the clothes become transparent or the intention is sexual), whereas the second is often regarded as odd by most people :-|

This also leads to the well-known ''percentage of wetlookers equation''... Far more than ten thousand people enjoy getting wet in their clothes! More like twenty percent of the population I reckon have enjoyed it at least once in their lives, often as children, because most adults are so closed-minded, and worried about other people's opinion of them (so-called ''dignity'').

SW, FW, and BH :-)

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"Wet clothing" or "wetlook" -- the difference?

By Telcontar - mrnemesis@ntlworld.com Sun 28/05/06 18:48:48 GMT

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Still thinking about this Wikipedia article, and trying to track down a good example of a wet clothing photograph.

I've been struck with a thought -- is there not a distinct difference between wet clothing (e.g. Nasse Klamotten, Wet Clothing Club Berlin, NJCO) and wetlook (e.g. modelled wetlook, candid wet pics)? Wetlook is all about how people other than oneself look, but when you swim in clothes for fun, that is wet clothing -- you're doing it for the experience, not the look.

As such, should these not be kept as separate articles in Wikipedia? And if so, do I now need a new second picture to illustrate the wetlook article? And of what?

And does anyone here feel qualified to write an article about wet clothing as an activity? I barely feel qualified to work on the wetlook article as I know so very little about wetlook really, but it's always the least qualified people who end up having to do it :P

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