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Subject: Happy Thanks for supplying us with this, think I learned a lot... :) [nt]

Date: Sun 14/05/06 13:49:22 GMT

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In reply to Message (22396.1.2.1.1.1.1.1) Info Oh, what the heck ... For the curious only, and very dry stuff! :)

By Telcontar - mrnemesis@ntlworld.com gb Sat 13/05/06 07:32:23 GMT

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When you want to look at a Web page (or any other resource on the Web), your Web browser (such as Internet Explorer, for everyone unaware that there's anything else) goes to the Web site and asks for it. Politely, of course. Typically, however, your browser also provides the site with extra information, some of which helps you, some of which helps the site, and as such, some people disagree with this practice!

 

The one in question is the "referrer", or, to nerds, "referer" because that's how the browser has to spell it! This is simply the address of the page that contained the link: the page that referred you to the item you're now asking for. That is, each time you ask for a page, your browser tells the site, as an aside, which page you are reaching it by. (The same is true for everything else it asks for, such as images and sounds within a page). Some sites use this information to detect when people are linking to their images directly: for a site example.com, you'd want the referrer to be empty (direct access), or to start with "example.com" (i.e. you're accessing the images from a page on the same site). If we link directly to them from here, the referrer will start with "forum.minxmovies.com".

 

Therefore, some people configure their sites to check the referrer of incoming requests and send back errors if it looks like someone's using their pictures on another page. I've done this at times when someone's been using my images as their blog background and thieving my site's bandwidth -- they should ask permssion for this privilege, or host them elsewhere, but no-one has the moral sense to do this. The reason being is that my own monthly transfer allowance is being divided into both my own site, and theirs! Generally no-one eats up enough each month that I care, but I will take action if it gets stupid, and have visitors to their site get pictures of a naked woman or something. Very embarrassing to the site owner and a surefire lesson to not steal bandwidth :)

 

In the case of this site, because we always link to images by URL, we're indirectly crediting the source site and permitting the curious to explore more if they like what they see; as such, there is no pretence that we created and own the images and we're not stealing the credit from those who did create them.

 

HTTP Werkzeug by the way, is my ultra-safe Web experimentation tool, that's 100% free of any vulnerabilities. It shows you everything the site sends you, but does not in any way process it, so you can view the seediest and most dangerous sites to examine what's going on without any fear of attack. It's main purpose is Web site diagnostics, to fault-find Web server implementation and configuration, and server-side script behaviour. Native builds are available for Mac OS 8 to X and 32-bit Windows (wherein I think you need to run as adminstrator level, annoyingly, not my doing alas); it also works perfectly in Linux under Wine. For years it has been my first and instant recourse to examining sites where I fear to tread or where the browser won't tell me what I need to know, which is often the case with badly broken server config or site scripting. HTTP Werkzeug lets you manipulate HTTP, the ... language if you like ... which the Web runs on, by which the browser and server communicate in making page requests. The browser hides this from you, but HW lets you view and manipulate it directly.

 

If you've actually read all this dry stuff, I imagine you'll want to jump straight in the shower to wet yourself up again :)

In reply to Message (22396.1.2.1.1.1.1) Wink Smile Re: What do you want to know?

By WETINRED - stekz@cableone.net us Fri 12/05/06 21:33:46 GMT

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Ehh,  All of the above, but thats ok Wink Smile I don't really need to understand all that gobbledegoop, LOL Peace Man
In reply to Message (22396.1.2.1.1.1) Hello What do you want to know?

By Telcontar - mrnemesis@ntlworld.com gb Fri 12/05/06 21:21:10 GMT

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To which, WIR? my post? Anthony's post? Being an HTML/Web person yourself I'd have assumed you'd understand at least most of it, so is it the function of HTTP referers (yep, someone couldn't spell) that puzzles you? Ask, and we can explain!
In reply to Message (22396.1.2.1.1) Confused Re: HUH??????????????? [nt]

By WETINRED - stekz@cableone.net us Fri 12/05/06 21:00:43 GMT

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In reply to Message (22396.1.2.1) Bad Eyes Duh, true ...

By Telcontar - mrnemesis@ntlworld.com gb Fri 12/05/06 20:49:29 GMT

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Yeah, confirmed. It does check the referrer, but I see no signs of spyware either, at a quick glance at the HTML in HW.
In reply to Message (22396.1.2) Thumbs Up Re: Re: shower in nightie - nice!

By AnthonyX - anthonyx@jowc.net ca Fri 12/05/06 20:03:51 GMT

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You have to copy/paste the link.

 

I simply clicked on the link and got a porn page (probably what you saw), but I don't see where spyware comes in. I then copied/pasted the link and got the lovely girl in the yellow nightie in the shower. Very nice.

 

Here it is one more time:

 

Many sites have mechanisms to redirect your browser to some other content when you attempt to follow a direct link to an image. It's not spyware! It's simply a combination of your browser's built-in behaviour to supply the referring URL (the forum topic page, in this case), and some logic built in to the web server which checks the referring URL when an image is requested. Sites do this as a countermeasure against what is actually bandwidth theft.

In reply to Message (22396.1) Angry Re: shower in nightie

By Anonymous - vi Fri 12/05/06 18:48:40 GMT

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DO NOT OPEN STUPID PORN AD WITH SPYWARE. FUCKER
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By Ian - ibarnes@mts.net ca Fri 12/05/06 17:40:03 GMT

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http://www.emmasporn.com/y06m04/d031/imgs/img06.jpg

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