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Message # 19818.2.2.1.2

Subject: Note W3C validator

Date: Fri 16/12/05 01:26:55 GMT

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The W3C validator does not work! Very often it complains about missing >, " and wrong color specification like #000000 although there are no errors.

 

I agree with your opinion about frames.

In reply to Message (19818.2.2.1) Hello Re: Re: Just out of curiosity, Why do u hate frames?

By DungeonMasterOne - wlf@gungemaster.com uu Thu 15/12/05 16:44:59 GMT

Website: http://wench.gungemaster.com


A lot of web professionals dislike frames because they are based on the mistaken idea that a web page is a visual thing, and that "how it looks" is the primary objective.

 

A real web page is a structured document that makes semantic sense, has a structured heirarchy of content that can be parsed in a variety of browsing situations, and will render equally usefully on a high resolution video screen, a tiny PDA or mobile phone screen, a braille reader, a speech-browser (which reads the page out for blind users), and half a dozen other alternative technologies. Well-structured documents are also easier for search engines to analyse.

 

The other big problem with frames is that when you have one master frameset that all the sub-pages load into, it becomes impossible to bookmark "inside" the frameset, and you have to give people silly instructions like "go to www.bongo.web, click the third link down on the left and then the second one across on the middle row" instead of just "www.bongo.web/content/pics-of-girls-in-wet-jeans.html".  You can get round this by building an entirely new frameset for each page, but that makes the amount of work involved insane.

 

The other drawback when frames are used as this example does is the lack of any "noframes" content, which can completely destroy a sites search engine ratings.

 

It's possible to use frames well, but it's bloody hard work.

 

Another problem with the redesign as suggested is the pages don't validate, but I've no idea if the current ones do either, so it may not matter.  http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.imperial-sk.com/wetlook/centre.htm for an example.

In reply to Message (19818.2.2) Question Re: Just out of curiosity, Why do u hate frames? [nt]

By WETINRED - stekz@cableone.net us Thu 15/12/05 15:48:21 GMT

Website: http://www.wetinred.com


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By I. Hate Frames - uu Thu 15/12/05 15:25:16 GMT

Website: http://www.imperial-sk.com/wetlook/


Ur sample at http://www.imperial-sk.com/wetlook/ uses frames - how awful!
In reply to Message (19818) Info Wetlook.com Web Design

By anonymous web designer - webmaster@imperial-sk.com gb Thu 15/12/05 11:48:44 GMT

Website: http://www.imperial-sk.com/wetlook/


To the webmaster of www.wetlook.com -

 

I'm a massive fan of www.wetlook.com, I'd like to offer you my services! - I'm an amateur web designer and i'd be happy to work on the website for you (for free), i've made this to show you what kind of things could be done with the website with the right know-how and time - http://www.imperial-sk.com/wetlook/ if your at all interested then please contact me at webmaster@imperial-sk.com

 

I've designed many other websites, i'm experienced with Java, HTML, Flash, ASP, ASP.net , I can make all the site graphics like those shown in my example - incidentally i can also design professional looking DVD/ VHS covers.  I can provide you with examples of my work if you would like, ive worked on numerous amateur and proffesional projects both websites and other graphics. So to summarise i'd love to help you improve the site, please email me if your interested!

 

your sincerley.

anonymous web designer.

 

P.S - if anyone else can help me get in touch with the webmaster id appreciate it.

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