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Message # 17491.4.1.1.1.1.1.2.3.1 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mooches and freeloaders Date: Sun 07/08/05 02:48:17 GMT Name: leonmoomin Email: leon@mostwet.com |
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This could go on forever.
How does the candid in my case exist? because I either organise events or I travel or spend large amounts of my time to shoot. I do post as much free candid as is possible, so, would you suggest I put all of the 100 or so hours of candid footage i have on-line for free?
All those clips, are you going to pay for the hosting? So, please advise me of another form of distribution for that amount of material? then, my time, all the time i have spent capturing and editing, etc, my time is worth money. When TV programmes film public events, do camera men get paid? Do editors get paid? do the networks get paid? Do reporters get paid? of course they do, they are the ones who take the time to bring the events to you, otherwise no one would ever see them.
I really don't wish for this to go on forever, so please go to your local newsagent and ask them if you can have a newspaper for free, after all, they are just reporting current and public events, after that, please phone the newspaper company and complain to them about their papers costing money, tell them they are greedy to charge money for their papers!
Simple as that, I don't care if you do not want to pay for my material, that is your choice, but to moan about not getting something for free, how needy and, ironically, GREEDY!
Yes, GREEDY, there is plenty of free candid stuff provided by me and others, yet that is not enough for you, you want more and you want it all for free, who is greedy?
I have given lots away for free, but, now I charge for it, get over it!
leonmoomin |
In reply to Message (17491.4.1.1.1.1.1.2.3) Re: Re: Re: Re: Mooches and freeloaders
By Anonymous - Sat 06/08/05 19:08:23 GMT I see your point about wetlook shotes and models, but charging for candids I think is greed |
In reply to Message (17491.4.1.1.1.1.1.2) Re: Re: Re: Mooches and freeloaders
By AnthonyX - anthonyx@jowc.net Fri 05/08/05 21:33:10 GMT Hey Leon,
It's amazing how often this comes up. Sure, I wish I could enjoy all your pics without having to pay for the privilege. However, speaking as one who has both dabbled in wetlook photography, and created/maintained several websites, I think you deserve every dollar you collect in sales/memberships. When it comes to enjoying the fruits of your labours, you don't owe anything to anyone.
To the moochers (and you know who you are):
It's a free market; nobody is taking the money out of your wallet. If you don't want to pay the price, don't expect to get the goods. It's that simple. |
In reply to Message (17491.4.1.1.1.1.1) Re: Re: Mooches and freeloaders
By leonmoomin - leon@mostwet.com Fri 05/08/05 20:27:26 GMT Website: www.leonmoomin.net No, buying a membership helps the person selling the material to produce more.
brief leonmoomin history!
Started in 2000 with a small site featuring my then girlfriend Fiona! (Free)
Started my next site, "At The Fountains"! (still Free) Which featured more than anything else, pictures of my friends modelling for me and candid, about half and half!
In about 2003 I launched "Fully Clothed" with the intention of it being free, to be supported by sales of videos, thing is, these days videos don't sell in huge numbers, not enough to support regular updates. So I had my fully free modelled wet and messy site, all free, I got very little feedback and then, when I couldn't update, I got complaints, sheesh, complaints about a free site not updating. So, the final straw came, I started to charge!
Charging came a long way down the road though, a long time after I had given away a HUGE amount of free material.
I would have liked to keep it all free, but, its not possible, everything costs money, hosting, locations, outfits etc, etc. Not to mention my time, putting in huge amounts of time and effort for very little in return.
Now perhaps, MaK you are a jeans fan, in which case, I admit, I have not given much to you to remember, but then it was not my interest. If I am now doing jeans and trousers sets, they are sets that would not exsist if it wasn't for the push of the dollar!
I don't know where you get the idea it is greed from? I am not rich, in fact far from it, greed would imply that I am greedy for wanting to make some money out of my work, as this is now all i do, would you rather i go hungry and homeless just so you can get your free wetlook fix?? Perhaps one day I will win the lottery and when i do, I will make all my stuff free again, until then, I work for a living and wetlook is my product!
Tell me anon, what job do you do, are you greedy for wanting your wages at the end of every month?
leonmoomin |
In reply to Message (17491.4.1.1.1.1) Re: Mooches and freeloaders
By Anonymous - Fri 05/08/05 16:29:37 GMT It not the high qulity pictures but the want you to pay for everything if you ask me their the ones being greedy now.+ If it wasnt for their free sites I dont think they would be were they are now. buying a membership just adds to the cycle of greed |
In reply to Message (17491.4.1.1.1) Mooches and freeloaders
By FountainFrolic - Fri 05/08/05 10:05:19 GMT "I am only interested in high quality pictures and therefore almost never open sites or links with party pictures, candid pictures or webshots."
Oh, and you're obviously one of those freeloaders and mooches who think the producers should provide you with all those "high quality pictures" free completely at their own expense. There is LOTS and LOTS of wet pics and videos on Leonmoonin.net Quit whining, buy a membership, or take what scraps the producers are nice enough to throw you FREE. |
In reply to Message (17491.4.1.1) Re: Oh how quickly people forget!
By MaK - Fri 05/08/05 06:28:43 GMT There is quite a difference between MostWet.com and Leonmoomin.net, which I am talking about. I am only interested in high quality pictures and therefore almost never open sites or links with party pictures, candid pictures or webshots.
I may be mistaken you from another and please correct me if I am wrong, but as far I remember you startet out with a site with a lot of pictures with a girl (your girlfriend?) called Lisa. If this is the case, you must admit that it was quite a "dry" period ;-) |
In reply to Message (17491.4.1) Oh how quickly people forget!
By leonmoomin - leon@mostwet.com Fri 05/08/05 04:39:16 GMT Website: www.MostWet.com Until recently only posted dry teasers??? Have you been asleep for the last five years, did you miss MostWet.com and all the other free stuff over the years?
Anyways, I do agree with you, much as I appreceate the vote. It may serve to dishearten some posters, unless every single person replies here and every single contributer gets mentioned!
leonmoomin |
In reply to Message (17491.4) You forgot too many!
By MaK - Fri 05/08/05 01:04:21 GMT What about Darret and Kerry Tiller, who regulary supplied us with great SC and asian links until they couldn't get the time for it any more. Are they already forgotten?
Of course the wetlook producers are great contributors, but they are at the same time using it for advertising, and except for post #17428 Leonmoomin has until now primary shown dry teasers. I really thanks Nigel for a great forum and a great programming job making the forum fast, but I do not think that I offend him by saying that he is not among the biggest contributors himself, and even the best forum is nothing worth without contributions.
I think that a top 5 list like this will do more damage than good, because all the great contributors, which are not mentioned, may be disappointed and might stop posting. A single contribution, which may start a good discussion, may be much more valuable than a picture or video clip from a wetlook producer, which you can also find on the wetlook producers homepage. |
In reply to Message (17491) Forum awards
By mawwam - Thu 04/08/05 13:34:02 GMT I have looked at this forum everyday for around 2 years now. Everyday i am more and more impressed by the contributions of many people on this forum. So i have decided to list my top 5 contributors to this forum. Although i am listing 5 of my favourites, i would just like to say everybody who posts anything here is greatly appreciated for helping this community with mostly free wetlook.
Here is my top 5
1 Nigel for setting up this forum 2 Rumpel- For his great effort in providing quality pictures 3-Leonmoomin- For setting up brilliant events and also his superb websites 4-Erik-elsas- I have enjoyed every update on the websites which are also free 5-MK- His knowledge of TV shows is outstanding. Well done!!!
Thanks to everyone on this forum for making this community a great one to be part of.
Please feel free to share with us your top 5 so we can all see who is king of the wetlook community!!!
thanks mawwam
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