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Subject: Hello Re: The problem

Date: Thu 28/07/05 18:51:29 GMT

Name: AnthonyX ca

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It always comes down to this:

 

When you're photographing, distributing images, or viewing them, it is a matter of intent. Do you photograph with the INTENT to provide sexual arousal for the viewer? Do you view the content with the INTENT to be sexually aroused? Are you distributing images where there is such intent? The trouble is, the law is based upon objective proof, and intent can be hard to prove or disprove. Without proof of intent, all that can be done is establish the objective facts - age of majority and consent of the subject, explicitness of the images, and age of majority of the viewer (if the images are explicit). Everything else is assumption. The question is, do you make conservative assumptions in an attempt to protect "vulnerable" individuals by labelling something as indecent or pornographic, and condemn anyone involved in its creation, distribution and consumption, denying their rights as unique individuals? Or do you make more liberal assumptions, allowing individuals to express their individuality and wait for demonstrable harm before making any condemnations? How much freedom should we be willing to give up for the sake of protecting ourselves from one another? Who is empowered to make such decisions and who is empowered to apply them?

 

As to the matter of the library. I wonder what sort of material is in their collection. Is it "sanitized"? Are there any books on human sexuality? Is there any contemporary erotic fiction? Anything on the Kinsey report? Masters and Johnson? Do they have "Catcher in the Rye"? "Catch 22"?

 

Perhaps the issue is this: if the computers are in an open area, ANYONE can see what comes up on your screen. Library staff would rightly be concerned about complaints from parents of young children. Their computers are a limited resource, presumably there for research purposes. I could understand them getting annoyed at you using them for purely "recreational" purposes, especially if someone else is being turned away. IF noone else is being offended because of what they happen to see as they walk by, and noone is being inconvenienced because you are tying up a computer, then it is down to an overly prudish attitude amongst your library staff.

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By Mike - swimlvr591@aol.com us Thu 28/07/05 16:59:56 GMT

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Few months back I posted a question of how and why do people refer to get wet in clothes porn?? It pisses me off, there IS a freaking differance!! Wet clothes are NOT porn...BUT show a girl in a 2pc bikini with her ass hanging out, tits barely covered, and that is said to be "acceptable". I bet if you was looking a a picture of something like that no one would have said a word...how much ya wanna bet!? But put the same girl in jeans, shirt, and shoes...throw her in the pool and...OH MY GOD...Porn! If ya look at her she calls you a pervert! Society is so stupid....they all need a swift kick in the ass! now I feel better.
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By my last post: must leave forum - us Thu 28/07/05 14:40:09 GMT

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It is with sad regret that I must make this my last visit to this forum, at least until I get my own computer. I am the guy who posted last February that I don't have a computer and must use the internet from the library. The head librarian/thought police officer has now banned me from that branch for 40 days (I might be banned countywide when the other branches find out about it) and a threat of a lifetime ban if, after the 40 day suspension, I ever view "objectionable" material on library computers again.  Some self-richteous idiot complained about a picture of "teenagers making out". I am not sure exactly which picture this was referring to, but I think it is the webshot of the woman in the pink pants before being thrown in the pool by her boyfriend.  The librarian even admitted that the picture is not nude, but she said it is nonetheless "objectionable, borderline pornography, and not fit to be displayed in a public library where children might see it".  How this qualifies as "borderline pornography" is beyond my comprehension.  It seems that anything can be considered objectionable by some people, and when those people have power, the public gets screwed.  I suppose those pictures of rabbits being butchered in China that I looked at about a month ago (no, it mwasn't on this forum) would be "objectionable" too. It is a rare website that doesn't have the risk of an occasional f-word appearing on the screen, and some kid might read it!  The internet would be boring if I have to be super careful about what sites I visit.  Prior to the February warning, I did look at real porn. I haven't looked at any since then.  I thought the prohibition only covered porn, but I guess I was wrong.  Anyway, rather I am banned countywide or not, I can't risk visiting this forum again. I probably shouldn't look at any type of pictures of anything, as some idiot may be offended.  Text only with no cuss words, I guess. I gotta get my own computer and internet service. The thought police are making life online too hard here at the library!

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