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Subject: Your 'two cents' is worth a WHOLE lot more!!!!!!!

Date: Wed 12/01/05 18:13:39 GMT

Name: Walt

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I agree 100% with your comments! I'm just sorry you got to them first. LOL!!

I do most of my site(s) development using Firefox and other non- IE browsers. All modern (under three or so years old) browsers suport properly coded CSS, etc. It is very important to learn how to make a site accessible to as many people as possible.

The following is mostly for Wetinred and others interested...

There are several good websites that offer excellent (and, free!!) HTML, XML, etc. coding information. You can even have your pages (again, freely!) validated for following proper coding.

http://www.htmlhelp.com is one such that covers several areas. NOTE: they are a bit behind the times with frames, but they still will show you how to develop frames that WILL work in all the mainstream browsers. http://www.w3schools.com/ is another most excellent source.

The short learning curve is well worth the effort.

I find my stats and general visitor emotions run much better when I adhere to the established standards!

I have absolutely no problems at all running frames in Netscape or Firefox as long as I take the time to get the coding correct.

Well, I'm back to bed... still putting the pieces back together recovering from a normally harmless illness going very wrong... (also hope I made sense!)

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Re: Just to let y'all know....(and slightly off-topic)

By WD - Wed 12/01/05 03:14:20 GMT

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If a site is built correctly AND to standards, it will run in all modern browsers. People who build sites that only run in IE will soon begin to fall foul and will lose customers and visitors. If a site and CSS are written to the right standards, the pages will work properly in IE, Netscape, Firefox, Opera, Safari and so on.

Designing sites that ONLY run in IE may have been a good plan a year or two ago as IE's share grew so high, but there are better browsers around and there are also other platforms to consider too. Unless a site MUST have some activex features, there is no excuse for building an IE-only web site. Even if properly patched, IE is still vulnerable. It's a risk you take if you run it. Those of us prefering to stay safer will opt to run any browser we choose and will not be dictated to by people on the M$ bandwagon.

You're obviously new to web site design and building. Experienced people have been testing their sites in all major browsers for years. This is not a new problem that's been introduced by new browsers like Firefox being introduced. Looking at your code, it's mostly written using Frontpage and that is notorious for only running in M$ browsers. And that's my 2 cents worth of comment on this.

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Just to let y'all know....(and slightly off-topic)

By WETINRED - stekz@cableone.net Tue 11/01/05 23:03:11 GMT

Website: www.liquidladies.org/

...I've changed the Liquid Ladies site back to frames, as that's the way it was gonna be done to begin with, till I got talked out of it,LOL. As it seems Firefox and opera had a rough time reading css scripts. Geez, why can't ppl just use IE. What are y'all afraid of? As long as u keep it patched and configured properly, there's no reason in the world not to use it. I understand about ppl not wanting to deal with Microsoft (I don't either)but the product works for any web page. I have had no problems with it over the last couple of years. No hackers, no spyware, no viruses. Pretty soon the more populare Mozilla gets with its firefox browser, hackers are gonna be exploiting it just like IE. Nothings infallible anymore. When the browsers find and patch the holes, the hackers just find another way to get in. There is no utopia among browsers/operating systems these days. But as long as u use a firewall/ad detector spy ware detector and an anti-virus programs, u shouldn't need to worry about it. All these new browsers are doing is making it harder for the ppl making the websites and trying to verify that all the pages are gonna work in all browsers. Some sites may work better in some browsers , but they all work in IE. The LL site should be compatible now except for netscape.(no one uses netscape do they?)

That's my rant for 2005 and I'm going to bed now. I really would like some responses to this, and also let me know what u think of the site.French and German pages are not in frames yet, so bear with me on that. U can still view the pages in those 2 languages as there is a "no frames" site navigator in it.

wir

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