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Subject: Thumbs Up Re: Carl, I think u covered everything...

Date: Sun 12/12/04 14:37:29 GMT

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....that there is in running websites, except I think u 4got to mention the editing of the videos and the making of the dvd's and the photo cd's, LOL

 

And Altho I am not a producer with my own models (yet!!)u take those aspects out of what I have to do and it is like a full time job and I'm trying to run 3 sites and creating a whole new site and it's 24/7 almost for me. Just when I think I'm done, oops! Time to update LL or mine or Bob's. But I do it cuz I love wetlook and I have made quite a few close relationships with a lot of y'all.

 

So,yeah, I take offense to those who constabtly complain about the lack of free material or that member's sites cost too much, and yada yada yada. I make just enough from my clip site to just maintain my bandwidth, not to try and make a living off of it, but to be able to give y'all a place to go, to get clips that stay on site for at least a month b4 I rotate them. It helps to make a little cuz of the enormous time spent doing all of this, and cuz my membership base is now over 200, that means more bandwidth usage and also means there's will be a slight increase in the cost for membership.starting Jan.6 (from $20 for 3 months to $25 for 3 months, and from $40 for 6 months to $45 for 6 months) Sorry about that Sad

 

So I wanna wish everyone in the WAM community a very happy holiday season whereever in the world u live Peace Man

In reply to Message (13632.2) Info and for those who have never... (Long)

By WetlookU - webmaster@wetlookuniversity.com us Sun 12/12/04 12:00:09 GMT

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    I can't say I agree or disagree but here is my side of it...

 

     For those of you that have never run a site, it's not all fun and games.  To be honest, I began Wetlook University as a offshoot of another page I have maintained and run for years(FhuckedNikes).  Being in the fortunate position I was at the time, I was dating a few girls that enjoyed and wanted to do these photos for the hell of it and they had a blast. So did I.

 

     I began that page in mid 1998 and ran it free until around late 2000 or early 2001.  Yes, I ran it FREE.  But as most of you know, that was about the time that the day of "free" webspace came to an end without either 15 pop-ups per page, a 1-5Mb space limit and so on.  I made a decision to keep the page running and began using a "paid" server space.  At that point, I began memberships only at $7.95 to help with expenses.  Yes, it made money.. I think the first year, around $600.00.  Sure, I enjoyed it, the girls enjoyed it ( Sometimes more than I did ) and it was fun.

 

     There came a time in 2002 when I was "single" again and it left me with few options.  Close the page and be done with it or to actually hire models.  With the support of members, the little money it WAS bringing, and with a hope, I chose to try and keep it open.  In the fall of 2002 I ended up hiring a few girls from the local University here to keep FhuckedNikes running.  The girls enjoyed it, I still had the page up and running, and it was still fun. It brought on an expense that I had never had before but it was still ahead a few dollars.

 

     I had always been a wetlook fan (I guess since the age of 8 or so) and I asked the girls if they would like to try it.  They said it sounded like fun and we decided to give it a try.  In the late fall or early Winter of 2002 I began to shoot photo sets and video for what is now Wetlook University. At the time, the wetlook pages that concentrated on Jeans, sneakers and casual tops were far and few between. I made a decision at the time that that was what I was going to concentrate on. I figured if I was going to do this, at least I personally would try and get some enjoyment out of it. I knew there was a market for it and I went with it. Of course over the last 6 months to 1 year, many have joined that line of thinking.  I have added some dressier outfits over time but my main concentration remains on the casual look.

 

     In February of 2003, Wetlook University was officially opened.  Another "paid" server cost, models being paid by the hour and outfits being purchased, ect. When you get these models, they are usually not the same size.  So for even the first 3 models, I go shopping. Let's say you just start out with 5 outfits for each girl.  You've spent $100-$150 for each girl on clothes, If you are like me, you buy brand name sneakers at a cost of $25-$100 a pair, 3 to 4 pairs for each girl and now you have 3 different size feet to cover.  So just in that alone you have an average of $1000 in 5 outfit with 12 to 16 pairs of sneakers laying around.

 

     With the advice of someone in this community, I was told that wetlook was just the tip of the WAM iceburg and suggested I add messy photo sets.  He's worked with MK, Rob Blaine and others so it sounded reasonable.  I again asked the girls if they would be interested and they again said it sounded different but fun and we gave it a go.  I began to add messy photo sets in on Wetlook University but trying to be fair, I didn't think it was fair to the members I had.  They had signed up for "wetlook" and not messy. If you were a member then, you got full access to both pages for the same amount you were paying before.  In February of 2004 Messy University began. Another server was set up and more cost came.  

 

     There came a time where the few models from the university wasn't enough.  I began getting other local talent and girls from all over the country.  Some of these girls command larger $'s.  I feature girls that have been on magazine covers, films, featured on Howard Stern and so on. I decided I wanted to make this work and continued on.

 

     Now I was getting calls from different girls that wanted to join in.  Some at $100 an hour.  Each time we shoot, it takes between 2 and 3 hours.  Again, these girls don't come in a mold.  I have girls from 5'0 to 5'11 in height, from 18 to 35 in age, from size 0 jeans and XXS tops to size 13 jeans and medium or large tops, Size 5 to size 11 shoes. Each time a new girl comes over, You can count on 4 or 5 outfits to be purchased for HER to use, not counting what she uses of her own, you have several pairs of shoes from $25-100 a pair to have ready, You're going to pay her $200-$300 for that shoot so you do have a bit invested. Although I live in the desert, it's not always 105 degrees here so you heat the pool.  For last month, my gas bill was over $400.  If you don't continuosly heat the pool, I have determined over the years, you spend about $100 per session to heat it.  It takes about 1 1/2 days to heat the pool from around 50 degrees to 84 to 86 to keep the girls comforable.  If they aren't comforable and happy, it shows.  With this in mind, each time a new girl shows up for a shoot, you have spent $600-$700and if she cancels and has to shoot the next week, you've spent $100 to heat the pool for nothing. If you are going to do messy sets, you also head off to buy $150 to $300 in sloppy, gooey stuffz.

 

     I'm not sure how many will agree with this statement but by now, my hobby, my enjoyment, my fun has turned into a "job".  I didn't need another full time job.  After the model leaves, it's not over.  You've (And your video person if you are shooting video) have already spent 3 or 4 hours.  Then I spend another 3 or 4 hours after the girl leaves on her merry way.  I upload the photos to the computer, I have to compress them (If I didn't with the resolution we use, they are 500 to 700Mb each), Rename each photo for each set, create thumbnails for each photo, Watermark each photo (I had to begin that in 2003 as my photos began to show up as someone elses work or"Found on the net"), Upload each of the photos and thumbnails to the server, Create a page for each photo set, and so on.

 

     That's 8 or 9 hours for me on the day of a shoot but it doesn't stop there.  I spend 2 hours or so on updates of the 3 pages each time an update is done, I spend time to post preview or "teaser" picts to a few of the message boards and web sites.  I'll spend a couple hours on and off most days adding new members or going through the database removing old ones or ones that the subscription has expired.  I've spend a few hours here and there shopping for outfits for the girls, buying messy slop for messy shoots, setting up custom request or photo shots, ect.  

 

     In that short amount of time, I have had to change servers several times for different reasons.  I've run out of space before ( I now have over 8gigs of files on line), I've been booted for "adult" content, I've been shut off for "Over Useage" although I signed up for "unlimited" accounts.  I've had severs crash and have to re-upload ALL 8 gigs, I've had my sever TWICE change DNS entry for unknown reasons and then not tell me and again, lost all the files.  When that happens, I've had members start emailing bitching or jumping me for not being able to access the page. Obviously I understand but I try to get it back running ASAP but you can only upload so fast.

 

    All the while the money flows in I guess.  Speaking of which, Paypal cut me off which wasn't a help at all.  Actually it was a big hassle.. But now I accept Credit Cards directly along with Checks online.  I love it when a member has been on 3 or 4 months, THEN reports the card as a "fraudulent" use.  I am charged back not only the membership for 3 or 4 months but also a $25.00 "chargeback" fee for each one. So this person receive the web page for 3 or 4 months, and then cost me $100 to boot.  As for the checks...  I am a trusting person.  Most check have been fine but others sign up for ONE MONTH, use a ficticious checking account number, and of course the check bounces which charges me another $5.00 in bank charges.  I've had one brain try and sign up several times by check after 2 have already bounced and uses different account numbers.. Like I can't see that coming.  In that case, you block their IP and move on.  Okay... So now I still take the risk but hold the account opening for 10 days.  You would think that was enough.  NO. Just this week, I had a check "returned" on 12/10/04 for $219.95 that was deposited on 11/17/04. How can THAT happen?  Okay.. So he got a couple free weeks to 2 web sites and cost me a $5.00 bank charge.  Whether anyone knows, if you continue to deposit checks of this type, the bank will either close your account or at minimun begin to place a hold on all funds deposited for 5 to 10 days.

    

     Over time, I have even had to chang my photo sets policy.  At one point, just on Wetlook University I had over 6000 photos at 1280x960 resolution and over 80 photo sets. What do you get for that?  Again, I really try to be as fair as I can. I have members who have BEEN members since almost day one.  Paying their memberships each month and enjoying my content.  Then you have those that try and "cheat" the system. They sign up for a One Month membership and suck off almost 2 years of content for the current price of $17.95 and then cancel.  Some have even been a little nicer about it by signing up at least once every 3 or 4 months to suck down those photo set that many have continued to pay for the entire time.  Does that seem fair? I don't think so.  Not only do I not think it's fair to me, I CERTAINLY don't think it's fair to those who have been loyal and paid every month as support to me and Wetlook University. Beginning in September, I removed all the older sets and leave only the most recent 10 photo sets online.  Since then, I have had many complaints. I've people cancel due to it.  The older sets ARE available for purchase by members at this time. Is that fair?  I thought so.  If you wanted to see Christine in wet overalls of Destiny get messy and nude, why did you wait 6 months after those sets were posted? I have actually had people TELL me that!  They signed up for a photo set that was almost a year old.

 

     I've even had one person, Look up my web registration, Got the address off of it and showed up at my Old House and address the page was registered under.  He even went as far as getting the IP address of one of the models and told me what town she lived in.. That's F***ed up.

 

     Yes.. I get money off memberships.  But there are expenses involved also. Most of you wouldn't spend the hours I spend (or others) for the amount of "income" if you break it down per hour.

 

     I'm not the shark in this pond.. I am a guppie. Maybe I should fold too. I've made enough to retire now. Maybe I should spend the hours I do and the thousands of dollar and just post it for free.  I guess my post would get more response then. If you had a chance to look at my records, you would find the girls made more from this venture than I have.

 

     I admit.. I don't give to this forum as maybe I should. There are folks like Nigel,Leon, MK, Southern Charms girls and so on that give much more. Yes, I do give a few pictures, "teasers" or previews when I do an update.  Yes, I had people bitch or gripe that they wanted FULL SIZE preview photos on the preview section of my page to see what they were getting.  I did just that by adding 2 full size examples of each set. When I post photos here, I don't splatter "SAMPLE ONLY" or "Join us now for the real pictures", Groups of small thumbnails on one large photo and so on. When I DO post preview picts, It usually is 3 off the set.  If I have a 50 photo set, how many frebies should I give? 10?  30? I guess most think the way you do and the post gets little or no response.  

     

   I'll get off my box now.  Either I was stupid for responding or one of the few with nuts enough to say some of this.

      

 

I hope all have a VERY HAPPY HOLIDAY!!!!!

 

Carl

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By RoscoeBC - us Sun 12/12/04 07:10:33 GMT

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It appears to me that every commercial originals site that has gone up strictly to make money on wetlook has folded.  The originals sites that last are the ones done by wetlook fans that want to share, and hope to make enough money to help recover costs.  I'm guessing this from the number of free samples they make available.  Those that wish to share their art and maybe recover costs show a lot more samples.  Those that are strictly in it for the money have very few samples, just teasers.  Few, if any of them seem to make enough money to be satisfied and keep going.  More money in more traditional porn I guess.

 

My hat is off to the artists that strive to improve the art form, not just cash in.

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