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Subject: Hello Re: Re: PAYPAL ON LIQUIDLADIES...URGENT/ READ

Date: Mon 23/08/04 15:05:56 GMT

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I'm really guessing at why PP hasn't shut me down, possibly cuz I keep my subscriptions as a donation, and/or all of the material, or at least 95% of it are actually from the TV and Movies. But I also never keep anything in it save for my B/W cost each month. But I'm right now opening up a Moneybookers acc't and will add it to the site. Also I just talked to WK and suggested he do the same as I don't think he has the capital need to front CCBill right now. Moneybookers seems like the better solution for the moment.

 

Also, for the ppl who have already signed up for the LL members site, don't worry! Soon as we get the money part straightened out we will then send u ur user id and it will be good from the date that ur email notification is sent. Wink Smile

 

And...Yes, b4 y'all start asking,As far as my holiday went Depressed Just happened to lose the power steering pump on my van in Vegas, and so we turned around and drove back. And it was extremely dissapointing to me as we planned this 3 months in advance. But we're gonna try it again in October, and with a new vehicle to boot Wink Smile

In reply to Message (11816.1) Hello Re: PAYPAL ON LIQUIDLADIES...URGENT/ READ

By MK - wamtec@compuserve.com us Mon 23/08/04 09:18:48 GMT

Website: http://www.settlement4onlinepayments.com/


Unfortunately Paypal do not define adult media based on how tame the pics are...they base their opinions on what is "adult"....based on what the perceived "intended use" is for your media. That is...any media they perceive has no artistic merit...and is purely designed for the purposes of arousal and sexual gratification...thats "adult media" in their opinion. Whether you have nudity or not...is irrelevant. They already shut down me, Tracie and all my other producer friends...and our material is blatantly erotic...but they also shut down Wetlook Unlimited and numerous other g rated wetlook sites too. I am surprised that you lasted this long...and even more surprised they have not shut down WIR too...so both you and WIR need to look for alternative payment systems asap.

 

FYI...you cannot claim to be a fashion photography site....no more than Wetscape can claim to be a site about "lifesaving" and survibal swimming"...ha ha ...

 

...and I cannot claim to be a site for "self help and education" either (i.e. how to get an erection without using viagara)

 

none of us can...even the best photographers like David Wilkey cannot make such claims. Are your pics featured in national magazines -- have you had photobooks published that are now available in mainstream book stores...none of us can claim to be mainstream art or photography sites....

 

a fetish site is a plain as the nose on one's face...and none of the wetlook sites I know of can claim to have true artistic merit...they are purely for adult entertainment purposes....

 

You will never win debates about whether what we do is "fashion photography" or not...cos Paypal can just say...show us your cv (resume) and provide us with a list of all the magazines where your photos have been published. The last time I checked...none of the world's top supermodels were leaving messages on my answering machine...asking to do a wetlook session with me...ha ha

 

Paypal has an assinine view on where they draw the line between "art" and "adult media"...for example...until recently...they were defining all pre-1980 Playboy Magazines as "art" and therefore OK to sell on Ebay....but all post 1980 Playboy magazines were defined as being "porn" and not ok to sell on Ebay. Hugh Hefner must be laughing in his wheelchair...cos what bright spark at Paypal suddenly decided that in 1980...that Playboy suddenly changed from being art...to being porn.. ha ha.

 

If you want some "satisfaction" to get back at Paypal for what they did to you (and me and 5 million other people)...you can join the class action lawsuit that has recently been filed in the USA. There are some 5 million people that paypal has closed accounts without proper justification...and now several courts have ruled that Paypals rules are discriminatory and illegal...so millions have now joined the lawsuit on them. Of course....the lawyers will get most of money and we may only get a few dollars...but at least we now have the satisfaction of knowing that Paypal will now be tied up in courts for YEARS and will be incurring million of dollars in legal fees and punitive damages for people they wronged.

 

FYI...several new payment services have now been created "out of the ashes" of paypal...specifically  www.yowcow.com and www.stormpay.com will both ALLOW adult websites...and they actively promote themselves to people who have been abused by paypal...i.e. come join us...we are happy to take all the ex-paypal users.

 

Hope these tips help.

 

PS...don't use YAHOO PAYDIRECT either....cos they will also shut you down if they feel your site is "adult" too...cos I got shut down by them as well.

 

MK

 

 

 

http://www.settlement4onlinepayments.com/

In reply to Message (11816) Warning! PAYPAL ON LIQUIDLADIES...URGENT/ READ

By Liquidladies - weinerking@bellsouth.net us Mon 23/08/04 03:59:07 GMT

Website: www.liquidladies.org


 PLEASE NOTE******

 

    on  23/8/04   we  go  a  mesage  from  pay pal  stopping  all  new  incoming  orders....Once  again their  stupidity  shows  with their  parent  company  E-BAY.   I  am in dispute  with them ovwer this  matter  arguing  that  we  are a  G  rate  fashion  photograhy  site.   Apprearently  doing  a members  page  and  all the  huge  amount  of  orders   red flagged  them.

 

   BY  no  means  will the effect  those  who  have previously  joined  and  received  an e-mail from us,  but  for  those  who  wish  to join  from  this  message  on  or  order  tapes or DVD's, YOU  MUST  either  wait  until  we  resolve  this  matter  or  go  to  another collector..

 

   (ANY  ideas  from  those  out  there  on  new  collectors)..

 

    Or  you may  place your order  by  mail  to  liquidladies  at  the address shown on   the  order page.

 

   Sorry  for  the inconvience,  but  this  is  not  just  a  first  for  many of us.....

 

                           (WK)  

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