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Subject: Thumbs Down Nigel - you're doing yourself no credit whatsoever with this - let it go [nt]

Date: Sat 17/07/04 01:58:24 GMT

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In reply to Message (11166.5.2) Note Rubbish response - don't read if you are not interested

By Nigel - nigel@wetlook.com gb Fri 16/07/04 23:51:54 GMT

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* I said I would not post to this forum again, but I will not let lies and accusations like that go unanswered. So, here is my response to those comments if anyone is interested or cares ...

 

- So lets respond to THESE 'lies' and deceptions.

  

 * Styx HAS sponsored an alternative forum and did so at the request of a large number of people who emailed us when I left this  forum. Several reasons were given for asking us to do this - those reasons are irrelevant to THIS discussion.

 

- You have been wanting to set up an alternative forum for a long time, but have not wanted to appear 'the villain of the peace', so you waited, and by stirring things up, creating a split in the community, until you had your excuse.  Your real reason for setting up the forum is to give heavy promotion to the Styx website.  Yes, Minx sponsors this forum, but I do not heavily promote it here.

  

* We have not "slagged off the competition" nor have we "persuaded people to boycott the competition". I challenge Nigel to produce the proof of this. We know that people will go where they want and do what they want without us or anyone else needing to do those type of things.

 

- I have the evidence, but I am not going to produce it, as it will identify the people caught in the middle.  The main reason people have signed up to you forum is on the offer of free subscriptions to Styx, even then, it seems that 2 of the 3 winners didn't claim their 'prize', maybe they just didn't bother going back ?  If your forum is so good, and 'so in demand', then why did you feel in necessary to be so predatory, offering loads of freebies to people who signed up ?

  

 * We do not wish this forum to close. What would be the point of us wanting that? There are overlaps, but the two forums offer entirely different facilities and appear to have different types of visitors. Most people will find what they want in either or both forums and many people visit both. We don't mind who visits where.

 

- The point of this one closing would be for you to dominate, and get all the traffic in your forum to push Styx at them.

  

 * We are quite happy to ban our view of what is candid from our forum. In the same way Nigel sets the rules for this forum, we set them for ours. There is no crime or anything wrong with setting rules for your own facility or service.

 

- I have no issue with you not wanting candid/public stuff, despite the fact that over half of the wetlook community likes it !  But how can you justify allowing Southern Charms stuff on there - SC IS a PORN site - not that you've bothered to define porn.  Do my erotic wetlook tapes, where the girls play with each other in their wet clothes count as porn, and how about scenes with nudity - some people even consider that porn.

  

 * I also challenge Nigel to produce proof of us "actively persuading people to boycott this forum". We have gone out of our way to ensure that no user of our forum posts anything about it on here. This is the first mention of our forum here.

 

- The only reason you didn't want to mention it here, was in the hope that you could not be called predatory - but that's a joke as you are offering all the freebies to people signing up.

  

 * If this forum was moderated by more than one person, the rubbish posts would be less likely to stay around for long. We have nothing to do with any of them and dislike rubbish posts anywhere as much as anyone else. We've solved that problem by having a moderated forum and optional memberships. Of course, THIS forum can do what it likes to control rubbish posts - including blaming Styx for them.

 

- There's lots of rubbish on the streets, most people just ignore it - they don't stand next to it shouting, "Who put this rubbish here".  Why they do it on the forum, other than to draw attention to it is beyond me.  This forum will never have membership, it is an open forum, we do not want to collect people details, and we respect people's privacy ( this is NOT a claim that you are going to do that, or use their email addresses for sending spam about Styx to them - just that many people are concerned about registering) - the ONLY way you got so many people to register was to dangle lots of carrots - free Styx mpegs, pics and 3 memberships.

  

 * Rubbish post will disrupt a forum - I agree. For the record, we are not behind the "Sir Watermelon" posts and have nothing to gain  by trying to disrupt this forum. We have our own and it's doing quite nicely thank you. We have not done anything underhand.

 

- Graham, where did I claim that you were, my words were I'm NOT saying that they are behind the 'Sir Watermelon' posts" - are you unable to read ?  I did not even mention you or Styx - when Leon jumped in on a post about candid/public events some months back, recognising that HE was the one being hinted at, YOU personally castigated him - now YOU are doing the same.  I simply classes you (Styx) along with the other 'disrupters'

  

 * An awful lot of people seem to like "dull, predictable, highly staged, uneventful wetlook" as the membership and number of postings on our forum shows. Both forums have different types of posting and different visitors.

 

- Do you not understand, or are you just treating everyone as a mug?  Most people have only gone to your forum because of your carrots, and the bad feeling stirred up here by you.

  

 * If you don't like what we have done with an alternative forum, don't go there. If no-one liked it then no-one would go there, would they? But people DO seem to like it. All we have done is respond to requests from people in the wetlook community. If you don't like it, stay away. But the fact that we HAVE created it is hardly grounds for accusing us of trying to bring down your forum.

  

- Do you not understand, most people have gone to your forum because of your carrots, and the bad feeling stirred up here by you.

  

 * And finally, I'd like to thank Nigel for promoting our forum on this one. Very kind. If anyone needs the website address, you'll  probably easily find it - or email me. In accordance with the rules of OUR forum, I will not promote it here.

 

- no, you wouldn't want to be "underhand", would you.

 

 

Quote of the day: "We have not done anything underhand."

 

Setting up a rival forum that you claim that lots of people want, then persuading them to sign up by dangling carrots of free mpegs, pics and free membership in front of them - oh no, we all WANT to go and use the "Styx Over the Top Promotions World Domination Forum", I can't wait.

 

Nigel

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By Graham (Styx) - graham@styxwetworld.com gb Fri 16/07/04 01:46:46 GMT

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I said I would not post to this forum again, but I will not let lies and accusations like that go unanswered. So, here is my response to those comments if anyone is interested or cares ...

 

* Styx HAS sponsored an alternative forum and did so at the request of a large number of people who emailed us when I left this forum. Several reasons were given for asking us to do this - those reasons are irrelevant to THIS discussion.

 

* Like any business, we can claim whatever we like. It's called "marketing". It's up to the consumer to judge us. There is no crime in making such claims. Search for "simply the best" in Google - are you now planning to challenge the claims of that 12 million sites?

 

* We have not "slagged off the competition" nor have we "persuaded people to boycott the competition". I challenge Nigel to produce the proof of this. We know that people will go where they want and do what they want without us or anyone else needing to do those type of things.

 

* We do not wish this forum to close. What would be the point of us wanting that? There are overlaps, but the two forums offer entirely different facilities and appear to have different types of visitors. Most people will find what they want in either or both forums and many people visit both. We don't mind who visits where.

 

* We are quite happy to ban our view of what is candid from our forum. In the same way Nigel sets the rules for this forum, we set them for ours. There is no crime or anything wrong with setting rules for your own facility or service.

 

* I also challenge Nigel to produce proof of us "actively persuading people to boycott this forum". We have gone out of our way to ensure that no user of our forum posts anything about it on here. This is the first mention of our forum here.

 

* If this forum was moderated by more than one person, the rubbish posts would be less likely to stay around for long. We have nothing to do with any of them and dislike rubbish posts anywhere as much as anyone else. We've solved that problem by having a moderated forum and optional memberships. Of course, THIS forum can do what it likes to control rubbish posts - including blaming Styx for them.

 

* Rubbish post will disrupt a forum - I agree. For the record, we are not behind the "Sir Watermelon" posts and have nothing to gain by trying to disrupt this forum. We have our own and it's doing quite nicely thank you. We have not done anything underhand.

 

* An awful lot of people seem to like "dull, predictable, highly staged, uneventful wetlook" as the membership and number of postings on our forum shows. Both forums have different types of posting and different visitors.

 

* If you don't like what we have done with an alternative forum, don't go there. If no-one liked it then no-one would go there, would they? But people DO seem to like it. All we have done is respond to requests from people in the wetlook community. If you don't like it, stay away. But the fact that we HAVE created it is hardly grounds for accusing us of trying to bring down your forum.

 

* And finally, I'd like to thank Nigel for promoting our forum on this one. Very kind. If anyone needs the website address, you'll probably easily find it - or email me. In accordance with the rules of OUR forum, I will not promote it here.

 

Graham

In reply to Message (11166) Note Attempts to undermine this forum - Sir Watermelon etc

By Nigel - nigel@wetlook.com gb Thu 15/07/04 22:26:55 GMT

Website: www.wetlook.com


As you may be aware, a certain company, that will remain unnamed, has set up a rival forum.  They're 'tactics' in doing this follow their general business model - claim we're the best, slag off the competition, persuade people to boycott the competition etc.

 

Despite what they would wish, this forum is not going to close, or change.  Postings of ANY type of wetlook (provided the people are of age) are welcome here, we do not ban candid (naturally or spontaneously without being posed), public, or involuntary wetlook, nor do we ban erotic, nude, or 'pornographic' wetlook.

 

If you want dull, predictable, highly staged, uneventful wetlook, then try another forum.

 

The 'others' have been actively persuading people to boycott this forum. I'm NOT saying that they are behind the 'Sir Watermelon' posts, but all these people are all the same. They are just trying to disrupt the forum, in the hope that either I will get fed up and shut it down, or that people will get fed up with all the rubbish and go elsewhere.

 

Thank you to everyone that emailed me about these postings, please DO NOT reply to them in the forum, unless it's a quick "Rubbish - ignore", please just email me to have them removed.

 

Thank you for supporting the forum, by visiting and posting. Even if you post elsewhere, you are always welcome to post here as well.

 

This is an open forum, and anyone who follows our widely accepted rules is always welcome.

 

Nigel


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