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Message # 10167.2.3

Subject: Re: Re: Goodbye

Date: Thu 13/05/04 00:43:44 GMT

Name: April

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Any of the parties... Just putting a little light in again, please dont refer me to as one of the parties I do not and did not speak up because i worked for anyone i spoke up cos i think too much, i deserved my ban cos i broke forum rules. I am not against candid, I cant be, alot of people I know do it and support it. Its how some candid is obtained was engineering of events to feed a fetish that got to me. Kevs only mistake was to show me this forum via my pc after we did a shoot, as for graham he hasnt spoke to me since the email thanking me for doing the shoot in fact in all fairness he was first to *kick my butt* over the leons flame, I do not work for styx and have not worked for styx we have traded material for photography skills nothing to do with sites.

We all have our own opinions and we all have freedom to speech, it to me is wam politics.

To me being on this forum in public view u are available for public views just like the women that go to the sea or foam parties are up for their images being took.

Graham why go... Most posters don't join sites anyway just moan about the freebies, if someone is really is into the *classic wetlook fetish* they aint going to join the candid sites are they. Your more the clothing fetish of the wetlook. U shouldnt let candid bother you. Just like u shouldnt let the *piss look* bother u.

At the end of the day it's all wank material (to be blunt)

How its obtained i really dont think anyone really gives a shit, I visited a violence forum recently where a couple go out and kick the living daylights out of pissed up women after the pub,they video it and sell it.. The sad rotten thing in life is the net is full of this, it happens and its life , it doesnt make it right and we cannot stop it. As long as we know where to draw the line as human beings then it shouldnt really matter.

As a host provider i dont think that u can say much about what ur clients put on it as long as it comes within legal requirements. After all there is no law making them images illegal.

Seems nigel doesnt really look at his emails as i did pre warn him also about wamawards, but he choose to answer on the forum instead.

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http://wamworld.ca/awards.htm

Check it out tell me your opinion if its worth advertising it on your forum , its a great advertising campaign :)

All the best

April x

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In reply to Message (10167.2)

Re: Goodbye

By Nigel - nigel@wetlook.com Wed 12/05/04 22:04:00 GMT

Website: www.wetlook.com

Graham,

>This is MY final posting to this forum where I have been active over many (mostly) happy years under the names of

> Graham(GrayHost) and Graham(Styx).

Sorry to see you go, I have tried my best to resolve the issue, but obviously there are other things going on that I do not know about.

>It's possible this forum owner will now delete this posting, at the mention of either of those 2 sites. If that happens,

> I'll post this same message in other places on the Net where it can be seen by anyone who wishes.

Why would I delete it ?

> To the GrayHost customers ...

> Nothing changes - I'll continue to host sites and take on new ones. Be aware that YOUR update notifications on this forum may well be

> censored or deleted by the forum owner because of your association with GrayHost. There has already been one instance.

I already explained that the message about LisaBubbles was delete by mistake, and that there is currently no easy way for me to put it back. I said you could repost it, but you didn't bother.

The post by Styx: "(10097) Vote for a free set By Kev" that is a long voting thread has NOT been deleted...

>To the people who liked to see the Styx updates photos posted here ...

> Sorry, but I'm not posting them here any more. If they are viewed as "nothing but links to pay per view content" (by some people), then they are no longer welcomed here.

Not by me - all wetlook links are welcome here. I regularly delete any strong attacks on ANY websites.

You generated a LOT of animosity when you posted the message:

> If you don't like my PERSONAL opinions, tough - there's nothing you can do about it because they are mine.

Your message about candid pics:

>>I don't know if you (GOP) are male or female and how old. Let's assume male and married ...

>>I just went to the beach and took candid photos of your wife or daughter getting wet with her friends quite innocently on a hot day.

>>I've now posted them to a wetshots folder and told everyone here and on UMD that these photos exist.

>>People copy them and post them on other websites. So that's ok by you is it?

>>And if your wife or daughter's boss and friends all find out her photos are posted on adult and other sites on the Net for male gratification?

>>That's OK too by you, is it?

Clearly shows that you strongly object to candid material, even though you are hosting candid material on your hosting server.

This was a strong, and personal attack on candid wetlook and was deleted, as it would have been from anyone else. This is a forum for both candid and modelled wetlook, anyone who strongly opposes either type, should either not be here, OR should not post their views here, PEOPLE ARE NOT INTERESTED, and it only starts, or continues a 'fight'. I have also deleted messages in the past that give strong personal attacks on pay-sites and model sites as well.

>And if you're planning to pick a fight about something I've just said, don't bother because I won't reply here.

I have tried to act fairly in all this, I have avoided banning ANY of the parties concerned (except April temporarily). Both the 'Styx camp' and the 'Leon camp' have been warned that their posts and actions are unacceptable.

I will be sending this reply by email as well.

Nigel

Wetlook Forum Owner

Minx Movies

www.wetlook.com

In reply to Message (10167)

Goodbye

By Graham - Wed 12/05/04 20:11:26 GMT

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This is MY final posting to this forum where I have been active over many (mostly) happy years under the names of Graham(GrayHost) and Graham(Styx). It's possible this forum owner will now delete this posting, at the mention of either of those 2 sites. If that happens, I'll post this same message in other places on the Net where it can be seen by anyone who wishes.

During the years on this forum, I'm proud to have been involved in building and running the websites of ... Tess (remember her?), Destiny, Lisa Bubbles, Veronica (Just add water), Toraji, Liquid Ladies and (most recently) Styx. With my web servers, I have provided (and mostly still provide) site hosting and requested technical advice/guidance to ... Weiner King (Sam), Wetlook Unlimited (Jim), WetFreeSpirit (Ray/Julie), Wetscape, Vintage Wet (JJ), Wetwife, Legs Unlimited (Jim), Wamabby, WaterGirl, Apex Wetlook, Sinfull Latex, Wetinred - and various glamour model and other sites not entirely relevant to this forum. A lot of these people were new to the Net and valued my help getting free wetlook material to YOU.

The actions of certain people (both publicly on this forum and privately, behind the scenes) have caused me to rethink what's important in my life. Despite the numerous messages of support I have received from kind people who have watched what's happened in the past few days, I no longer wish to be part of the community on this forum. It is not the fun place it was - it's become a forum for egos, arguments and personal attacks. I have more important things to do in my life than defend a PERSONAL opinion that's been turned into something that Styx apparantly wants, or sit around taking cr*p from certain people.

I have no vendettas, no recriminations and no verbal abuse to give out. Just sadness and disappointment at what has been happening, the bitterness and even hatred that's appeared, and sorrow at the false accusations being thrown around. Nobody won, everyone lost.

So, all I have is some messages to specific groups of people ...

To the Styx customers ...

Nothing changes - StyxWetWorld continues non-stop, with twice-weekly updates. Whilst update announcements will no longer be made here you can continue to check on Wednesdays and Saturdays (until notified otherwise in the members area) and you'll find updates. The Styx Members Forum will now probably become even more active, as I devote more time there with our customers. And there are new Styx sites I'm working on too.

To the GrayHost customers ...

Nothing changes - I'll continue to host sites and take on new ones. Be aware that YOUR update notifications on this forum may well be censored or deleted by the forum owner because of your association with GrayHost. There has already been one instance. If it happens to you, please contact me and I will refund your hosting costs and help you find a new host. I'll continue to host the (entirely free) Vintage Wet website and pay for its current 50Gb of monthly bandwidth.

To the people who liked to see the Styx updates photos posted here ...

Sorry, but I'm not posting them here any more. If they are viewed as "nothing but links to pay per view content" (by some people), then they are no longer welcomed here. Styx free photos will still be available on StyxWetWorld in the preview areas, and the free site (StyxFreeWorld) will still be updated with free photosets and videos. You can judge for yourself if they are good wetlook photos and videos or "low-res, watermarked, teasers chosen to NOT reveal much wetlook" (as they are now referred to, by another person). And anyone not interested in what these sites offer need not visit - it's a personal choice where I am not forcing you to visit.

To everyone else ...

If you liked my work and contributions, thank you - even if I didn't ever "speak" to you. If you dislike me or my work - I'm sorry to hear that but we're all different and have varying tastes and I can't recall saying I disliked you. If you don't like my PERSONAL opinions, tough - there's nothing you can do about it because they are mine. And if you're planning to pick a fight about something I've just said, don't bother because I won't reply here.

Enjoy your forum.

If anyone wants to contact me, use either graham@grayhost.net or graham@styxwetworld.com.

That's it - nothing more to say. Bye.

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