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Message # 10167.2.2.1

Subject: Talking Re: My thoughts..

Date: Thu 13/05/04 00:38:26 GMT

Name: Paul Rain-Fan gr

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I agree with you Ray in some ways, but I don't believe that Nigel haven't try to find solutions here.

It's not his fault if some people are toxic here, have some

bad atitude, and behave like small children and don't understand the effects of their actions.

Off course this my opinion no offence

 

Regards

Paul

In reply to Message (10167.2.2) Note My thoughts..

By ray - ray_diaz1@yahoo.com us Thu 13/05/04 00:27:28 GMT

Website: www.wetfreespirit.org


For those that lurk on this forum know that Julie and I have posted here for years, and even ran our own very successful wetlook forum for about a year.  

 

Of course this is Nigel's forum and he has every right to manage it anyway he wishes, but recently some of the attitudes on this forum have become toxic and I don't believe they have been handled very well by the moderator. The removal or warnings on postings that seem to qualify as postings of wetlook (most recently April's below) makes one wonder how political this forum has become.

 

It is too bad that one of the major wetlook providers has decided not to participate in this forum, and the moderator is busy justifying his position instead of finding solutions.

 

I would hope that perhaps after a cooling off period, things could get back to the way they were a few years ago, a kinder gentler forum :-)  

 

In reply to Message (10167.2) Note Re: Goodbye

By Nigel - nigel@wetlook.com gb Wed 12/05/04 22:04:00 GMT

Website: www.wetlook.com


Graham,

 

>This is MY final posting to this forum where I have been active over many (mostly) happy years under the names of

> Graham(GrayHost) and Graham(Styx).

 

Sorry to see you go, I have tried my best to resolve the issue, but obviously there are other things going on that I do not know about.

 

>It's possible this forum owner will now delete this posting, at the mention of either of those 2 sites. If that happens,

> I'll post this same message in other places on the Net where it can be seen by anyone who wishes.

 

Why would I delete it ?

 

> To the GrayHost customers ...

> Nothing changes - I'll continue to host sites and take on new ones. Be aware that YOUR update notifications on this forum may well be

> censored or deleted by the forum owner because of your association with GrayHost. There has already been one instance.

 

I already explained that the message about LisaBubbles was delete by mistake, and that there is currently no easy way for me to put it back.  I said you could repost it, but you didn't bother.

 

The post by Styx: "(10097)  Vote for a free set By Kev" that is a long voting thread has NOT been deleted...

 

>To the people who liked to see the Styx updates photos posted here ...

> Sorry, but I'm not posting them here any more. If they are viewed as "nothing but links to pay per view content" (by some people),  then they are no longer welcomed here.

 

Not by me - all wetlook links are welcome here. I regularly delete any strong attacks on ANY websites.

 

You generated a LOT of animosity when you posted the message:

 

> If you don't like my PERSONAL opinions,  tough - there's nothing you can do about it because they are mine.

 

Your message about candid pics:

 

>>I don't know if you (GOP) are male or female and how old. Let's assume male and married ...

>>I just went to the beach and took candid photos of your wife or daughter getting wet with her friends quite innocently on a hot day.

>>I've now posted them to a wetshots folder and told everyone here and on UMD that these photos exist.

>>People copy them and post them on other websites. So that's ok by you is it?

>>And if your wife or daughter's boss and friends all find out her photos are posted on adult and other sites on the Net for male gratification?

>>That's OK too by you, is it?

 

Clearly shows that you strongly object to candid material, even though you are hosting candid material on your hosting server.

 

This was a strong, and personal attack on candid wetlook and was deleted, as it would have been from anyone else.  This is a forum for both candid and modelled wetlook, anyone who strongly opposes either type, should either not be here, OR should not post their views here, PEOPLE ARE NOT INTERESTED, and it only starts, or continues a 'fight'.  I have also deleted messages in the past that give strong personal attacks on pay-sites and model sites as well.

 

>And if you're planning to pick a fight about something I've just said,  don't bother because I won't reply here.

 

I have tried to act fairly in all this, I have avoided banning ANY of the parties concerned (except April temporarily). Both the 'Styx camp' and the 'Leon camp' have been warned that their posts and actions are unacceptable.

 

I will be sending this reply by email as well.

 

Nigel

Wetlook Forum Owner

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In reply to Message (10167) Peace Man Goodbye

By Graham - gb Wed 12/05/04 20:11:26 GMT

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This is MY final posting to this forum where I have been active over many (mostly) happy years under the names of Graham(GrayHost) and Graham(Styx). It's possible this forum owner will now delete this posting, at the mention of either of those 2 sites. If that happens, I'll post this same message in other places on the Net where it can be seen by anyone who wishes.

 

During the years on this forum, I'm proud to have been involved in building and running the websites of ... Tess (remember her?), Destiny, Lisa Bubbles, Veronica (Just add water), Toraji, Liquid Ladies and (most recently) Styx. With my web servers, I have provided (and mostly still provide) site hosting and requested technical advice/guidance to ... Weiner King (Sam), Wetlook Unlimited (Jim), WetFreeSpirit (Ray/Julie), Wetscape, Vintage Wet (JJ), Wetwife, Legs Unlimited (Jim), Wamabby, WaterGirl, Apex Wetlook, Sinfull Latex, Wetinred - and various glamour model and other sites not entirely relevant to this forum. A lot of these people were new to the Net and valued my help getting free wetlook material to YOU.

 

The actions of certain people (both publicly on this forum and privately, behind the scenes) have caused me to rethink what's important in my life. Despite the numerous messages of support I have received from kind people who have watched what's happened in the past few days, I no longer wish to be part of the community on this forum. It is not the fun place it was - it's become a forum for egos, arguments and personal attacks. I have more important things to do in my life than defend a PERSONAL opinion that's been turned into something that Styx apparantly wants, or sit around taking cr*p from certain people.

 

I have no vendettas, no recriminations and no verbal abuse to give out. Just sadness and disappointment at what has been happening, the bitterness and even hatred that's appeared, and sorrow at the false accusations being thrown around. Nobody won, everyone lost.

 

So, all I have is some messages to specific groups of people ...

 

To the Styx customers ...

Nothing changes - StyxWetWorld continues non-stop, with twice-weekly updates. Whilst update announcements will no longer be made here you can continue to check on Wednesdays and Saturdays (until notified otherwise in the members area) and you'll find updates. The Styx Members Forum will now probably become even more active, as I devote more time there with our customers. And there are new Styx sites I'm working on too.

 

To the GrayHost customers ...

Nothing changes - I'll continue to host sites and take on new ones. Be aware that YOUR update notifications on this forum may well be censored or deleted by the forum owner because of your association with GrayHost. There has already been one instance. If it happens to you, please contact me and I will refund your hosting costs and help you find a new host. I'll continue to host the (entirely free) Vintage Wet website and pay for its current 50Gb of monthly bandwidth.

 

To the people who liked to see the Styx updates photos posted here ...

Sorry, but I'm not posting them here any more. If they are viewed as "nothing but links to pay per view content" (by some people), then they are no longer welcomed here. Styx free photos will still be available on StyxWetWorld in the preview areas, and the free site (StyxFreeWorld) will still be updated with free photosets and videos. You can judge for yourself if they are good wetlook photos and videos or "low-res, watermarked, teasers chosen to NOT reveal much wetlook" (as they are now referred to, by another person). And anyone not interested in what these sites offer need not visit - it's a personal choice where I am not forcing you to visit.

 

To everyone else ...

If you liked my work and contributions, thank you - even if I didn't ever "speak" to you. If you dislike me or my work - I'm sorry to hear that but we're all different and have varying tastes and I can't recall saying I disliked you. If you don't like my PERSONAL opinions, tough - there's nothing you can do about it because they are mine. And if you're planning to pick a fight about something I've just said, don't bother because I won't reply here.

 

Enjoy your forum.

 

If anyone wants to contact me, use either graham@grayhost.net or graham@styxwetworld.com.

That's it - nothing more to say. Bye.

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