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Message # 73977.1.3.2.1.2.1 Subject: Date: Sat 14/07/18 11:08:38 GMT Name: Newwet |
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No one is saying you are not allowed an opinion. Again, straw man fallacy.
What i’m saying is: You don't go into a restaurant to complain to the boss about the fact that they have a dish you don't like on the menu when there are other choices you'd like better, you go in there to eat what you like. If you do complain about something you're free not to order and you have an alternative, expect the staff to laugh at your face. If you get dickish about it, they’ll call you out on it and throw you out. And if they don't serve what you like, then why are you even going to that restaurant in the first place?
Think about it. Wouldn’t it be absurd?
Back to your message. This is exactly what you did, and on top of that you did it with misplaced sarcasm. Why misplaced? Because, i repeat, not a single individual holds the truth when it comes to beauty. Again, humility.
What you did, however nicely you think you expressed it, is not constructive criticism. Bottom line is you just say « she’s ugly », « i don’t like her ». Constructive criticism offers advice on something that can be objectively improved, and since beauty is highly subjective, it can’t be improved because what you like might be what someone else hates, and vice-versa. You can't act as if your opinion on beauty is superior to other opinions because it is simply not true. Truth is relative when it comes to beauty and your opinion isn't more important than anyone else's. Again, different strokes for different folks.
And on top of that, Mr Elsas has been in the business since the 90’s. He knows what he is doing, and he obviously doesn’t need your advice, or anyone else’s. Also, he didn’t ask for it. The fact that he has a diversity in the models he shoots with may even be the reason he has been in business for so long doing sets with some of the models that are attractive to you. So what if a few of them are not to your taste? You can't have it all go 100% your way, that's not how a free market works. You're not his only potential customer.
In the case of wetlooker, i am quite sure that if you asked those people now if they prefer his content before or after he made the improvements that were asked then, not a single one of them would say they want wetlooker to go back to how it was.
Look, everyone has favorite models on each websites, which means they also have models they like less or don't like at all. It's normal. But we don't go out of our way to make it known because in the first place that would be a childish, selfish, mean way to act, and in the second place we all know that what we don't like may be another man's treasure. Why don't you realise that? Why does it have to bother you so much that Mr Elsas produces a few sets with this model while at the same time his offer is one of the widest model-wise on the wetlook market? |
In reply to Message (73977.1.3.2.1.2)  Re:How about some common courtesy?
By gull -
It's funny you should say it's all about common courtesy and constructive criticism, because the last time EE used this model I put it much more kindly. My wording was something like "I'm sure this model is a very nice lady, and I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings, but if I had paid for a subscription to this service, I would not be happy to receive this kind of content." Can't get more polite & constructive than that, right? And guess what? I still got dogpiled by white knights in a huff because I dare speak ill of EE and one of his models. It was exactly the same reception. So what you people want isn't "politeness" or "constructive criticism," it's no criticism at all. You brought up wetlooker as an example, but I guess you forgot about the people who were yelling "just be nice!" and "if you're so great, where's your content?" in all those threads, too.
So if the policy of this board is "No complaints, ever, just shut up and take what we give you, rubes" then okay, I won't ever complain. Until then, if quality wetlook producers - like EE, who is usually top-notch - look like they're making a bad call, I'm gonna point it out. I recommend you not get your feelings hurt about it. And I DEFINITELY recommend that wetlook models not peruse this forum, for obvious reasons. Like I said, I'm sure she's nice, but I'm not here to buy sets of stunning, soaked personalities. |
In reply to Message (73977.1.3.2.1)  Re:How about some common courtesy?
By Newwet -
And you chose to be that guy.
Common courtesy (<- key word here) dictates that when you don't like something, and especially when it's something that involves sexuality (different strokes for different folks), you don't say anything and ignore it. There's so much choice available and yet you chose to express negativity about one particular model, on a matter of taste (which, again, is relative). Why waste your time on something you don't like? Just walk right by it and ignore it. This isn't constructive criticism, it's just stating your opinion, and the only answer possible is "too bad, don't buy it then!".
Constructive criticism is what this forum is about, among other things such as sharing picture and video finds and talking about our fetish. The best example is wetlooker: when he started his business, the technical quality wasn't great, and people told him so here. Since then, he has improved a lot. How do you expect your criticism of this model to be helpful in any way? Do you think that Mr. Elsas will just tell the girl "there's that one guy whom doesn't like you, i wont be doing shoots with you anymore" or "just be more beautiful, whatever that means"? He chose to work with her because he wanted to do so. It's his choice, also hers, and if you don't like it, well, too bad, but who cares? And don't tell me i do, because that's not the case.
What i do care about is you expressing it not in a nice way, because the way you expressed your opinion could be hurtful. Yeah, i know, "womp womp". But once again, we are human beings. A keyboard and a screen do not negate the power of words and feelings. It's not a question of self esteem inflation (nice straw man btw), it's about not being a dick when there is no definite answer to the question "what is beautiful?". Your definition of beauty isn't "better" or closer to the "truth" (which doesn't exist in this case) than anyone else's. A little humility goes a long way in life.
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In reply to Message (73977.1.3.2)  Re:How about some common courtesy?
By gull -
Whoops! Sorry, I thought this was the forum where we go to buy pictures and videos of girls getting wet in order to masturbate to them, I didn't realize it was a self-esteem inflation forum. Okay then: I'm sure she's a very nice lady with many attractive qualities. You're right, no one is forcing me to buy this set, however if I had paid money for a subscription - which this website offers - I would not be happy with this level of content. The models on this site are usually good and often great, which is why when they're like this girl (who, again, I'm sure has a lovely personality) it stands out.
But who knows, maybe I'm way off, maybe she's his top earner. It's all subjective. |
In reply to Message (73977.1.3)  How about some common courtesy?
By Newwet -
You don't like how she looks, fine. But you are not forced to buy these sets so there's absolutely no warrant for such disrespectful and rude comments.
On top of that, she chose to do wetlook modeling, which means exposing yourself in an intimate way, and whatever reason made her do it, that commends respect.
She is a human being you know. She has feelings. Maybe she cares about what people say on this forum, maybe she doesn't, but words have power, even when uttered anonymously on the internet. Remember that next time you say something about someone. That's something you're supposed to learn as a kid. Shame on you. |
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By gull -
Hard up for models? Yikes. |
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Re:How about some common courtesy?
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